Andrew Marr BBC Sunday Morning

drb · Post by **drb** » 18 Oct 2009, 13:15

Interview with Billy Hayes this morning

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8313042.stm

Post by **dvbuk55** » 18 Oct 2009, 13:38

linkinpark wrote:Billy did not come across that bad.

Or that good - Mogadon Man springs to mind.

Post by **osiris** » 18 Oct 2009, 14:24

Seemed a bit worried to me.

Post by **stokes11eg** » 18 Oct 2009, 15:14

Yes-and towards the end of this interview,,he was almost giving in again. Why say the Union was not blameless in this dispute? Still too much sitting on the fence ---

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 18 Oct 2009, 15:20

stokes11eg wrote: Yes-and towards the end of this interview,,he was almost giving in again. Why say the Union was not blameless in this dispute? Still too much sitting on the fence ---

It was an attempt to appeal to the masses to see the Union as amenable and open to criticism . A kind of we accept we are not perfect but look what's happening to my members, trying to put us back into the good view of the public. Good timing with the leaks and casuals but whether it will work or not is questionable.

Bahia Feliz · Post by **Bahia Feliz** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:01

Like Alan Johnson before him Billy Hayes will be in the Labour party hierachy before long!!

Post by **solcat** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:22

Not a patch on Ward

Post by **dvbuk55** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:31

He was on Sky News later on this evening and was as dull as ever, I don't think I have seen a human being with so little facial expression or enthusiasm for the task - he seemed to think that calling in ACAS is the Holy Grail - when I don't see that ACAS are going to bring anything to the table that isn't already there. RM and the Government are determined to destroy the union and pave the way for privatisation.

Billy has never had the bottle for the fight, I think he has been forced into the ballot against his political judgement and wants it over with as quickly as possible. He sees ACAS as the get out clause if things go pear shaped - someone to share or even take all the blame - but he should know that we are not going to be conned by another 2007 Agreement.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:38

Better yes, and I'm sure he has got strengths ,but the most effective leaders recognise their weaknesses

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:40

Wonder if Mandy can knobble ACAS the same way he got the Hooper report delayed and tailored

donut · Post by **donut** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:53

linkinpark wrote:Billy did not come across that bad.

I did`nt think he did to bad either till he called andrew marr ....adam !!

Post by **osiris** » 18 Oct 2009, 19:56

donut wrote:
linkinpark wrote:Billy did not come across that bad.
I did`nt think he did to bad either till he called andrew marr ....adam !!

Not his finest moment.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 18 Oct 2009, 21:40

linkinpark wrote:Dont feel right about sticking up for Billy but i saw him on sky and he was not as bad as he has been in the past. Yeah i would love to have better but we must use the tools we have and going into this IA at least we have someone thats trying unlike the Billy of the past! As for the labour jibe well even he knows that "New Liebour are finished so maybe he is looking to the future of a Labour party that at least tries to represent workers i dont know? I do know he is trying and thats a start for me. Good on yah Billy and keep improving and trying to get "OUR" Message across, Oh Jane and Dave dont be shy get in there and fight the f*ckers as well dont leave it all to Billy!

Out of the mouths of babes

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 18 Oct 2009, 22:14

linkinpark wrote:Dont feel right about sticking up for Billy but i saw him on sky and he was not as bad as he has been in the past. Yeah i would love to have better but we must use the tools we have and going into this IA at least we have someone thats trying unlike the Billy of the past! As for the labour jibe well even he knows that "New Liebour are finished so maybe he is looking to the future of a Labour party that at least tries to represent workers i dont know? I do know he is trying and thats a start for me. Good on yah Billy and keep improving and trying to get "OUR" Message across, Oh Jane and Dave dont be shy get in there and fight the f*ckers as well dont leave it all to Billy!

Billy's style is a wait and see one so he'll pull his punches - i.e. " after the General Election , we'll get rid of " Cyclops " , good old Jon Cruddas will be part of a dream ticket , Mandy will be shunted off somewhere , we have to fight back and take back control of the party " etc , etc , etc - er yeah right

He's a natural Labourite , he'd rather have his arm cut off or his supply of pies confiscated than rock the boat too much - I think with Jane Loftus - it was " promote the Trot to neutralize her " :

. Mandy's agenda is Europe , Europe and their undemocratic & unaccountable directives & appeasing Big Business lobbying power so New Labour won't initially get blamed for it - he's got a big EEC pension riding on it .

The heat needs turning up on Mandy - he's hated by everyone , Red , Purple , Yellow or Blue

& Crozier has been quiet because he knows he'll get slaughtered for his salary .

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