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Small offices not striking

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Re: Small offices not striking

Post by robmacca »

viking1488 wrote:
robmacca wrote:
viking1488 wrote: i think we all see the big picture here :mfo
Try telling that to the smaller offices (this topic is an example of that) - if the smaller offices saw the bigger picture, they wouldn't be crossing picket lines.
ok thats cool pal someone needs to tell them they need to get a grip :crazy:
Totally agree viking1488.

If anything it makes me MORE likely to get out of bed and get on the picket line to show unity with my collegues.
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Re: Small offices not striking

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robmacca wrote:
viking1488 wrote:
robmacca wrote:
viking1488 wrote: i think we all see the big picture here :mfo
Try telling that to the smaller offices (this topic is an example of that) - if the smaller offices saw the bigger picture, they wouldn't be crossing picket lines.
ok thats cool pal someone needs to tell them they need to get a grip :crazy:
Totally agree viking1488.

If anything it makes me MORE likely to get out of bed and get on the picket line to show unity with my collegues.
hope you a your fellow work mates keep it up take care out there
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Re: Small offices not striking

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:lfo
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Re: Small offices not striking

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who wins is not the point the point is you and your office go to your gate temp workers make me laugh they cant do the job royal mail are just having a laugh to this is more to be a goverment idea to bring there figures down anyhow you know the score :crazy:
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Re: Small offices not striking

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You got to think a little more out of the box ICEMAN, your aggresive in nature why. This is exactly what the buisness wants, do you feel save in your job feel your one of the untouchables. Well let me reasure you my man your not, none of us are.30'000 is sheer is not worth worrying about 15'000 more than they would have employed, by the times they get a grip of the actual situation it will be piled up. Im like you in a way I really dont want to strike and I mean I really dont, but I will I have been on the receiving end of management, I see no vision of management at all levels. I want to know why management at all levels receive bonuses based on productivity. I want to know where my pension money has gone and why and who is responsable for the trouble its in. I want to know why the buisness is £321 million profit not far of a million pound a day near enough. They get a bonus we get hit with a pay freeze. Why is it exceptable for management to bully staff it may well be not happening in your little love nest but just read the post fellow colleagues up and down the country are subject to crap after crap. So keep the faith if you ever had it. Show your colours a little back bone.
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Re: Small offices not striking

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Turpin wrote:You got to think a little more out of the box ICEMAN, your aggresive in nature why. This is exactly what the buisness wants, do you feel save in your job feel your one of the untouchables. Well let me reasure you my man your not, none of us are.30'000 is sheer is not worth worrying about 15'000 more than they would have employed, by the times they get a grip of the actual situation it will be piled up. Im like you in a way I really dont want to strike and I mean I really dont, but I will I have been on the receiving end of management, I see no vision of management at all levels. I want to know why management at all levels receive bonuses based on productivity. I want to know where my pension money has gone and why and who is responsable for the trouble its in. I want to know why the buisness is £321 million profit not far of a million pound a day near enough. They get a bonus we get hit with a pay freeze. Why is it exceptable for management to bully staff it may well be not happening in your little love nest but just read the post fellow colleagues up and down the country are subject to crap after crap. So keep the faith if you ever had it. Show your colours a little back bone.
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Re: Small offices not striking

Post by hazzeem025 »

we've the same problem, our office a good 90% will be out on strike but 1 of the small offices 30 mins away everyone will be working. They won't strike because everything is wonderfull in their office and they get to go out early finish early etc (nice if you have a manager who'll let you do that).

Anyhow the poor idiots won't be feeling to great about their wonderfull office when the area manager decides he wants 120 hours out of the offfice!

And when it happens i'll be laughing loudest!
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Re: Small offices not striking

Post by stevenshm »

Tamsky wrote:Hi Hess

You can only picket your own place of work but an area or Divi rep can picket their patch.

we have a smaller office that is attached to us now they say they want cross a picket line but
they are not going to put one up so they are going in!
now the question is we have a few reserves who regularly get sent each week to cover there days off
and are happy to set a picket line up
can they do this?
could this could be classed as there place of work?
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RM aint silly,there is an office down my way that is only going to lose 20hrs with the cuts,they are saying,why are we going on strike for 20hrs. :roll:
But down the road is getting hammered,down the road from them 4 day weeks have gone,2 jobs and all SA.
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Re: Small offices not striking

Post by brothermagrew »

BELIAL wrote:
Tamsky wrote:Hi Hess

You can only picket your own place of work but an area or Divi rep can picket their patch.
Think you might be able to picket an alternative office if it is nearer to your home :wink:

Picketing
For more than a century, trade unions and organised groups of workers have used picketing as a powerful means of protecting their employment rights and improving the conditions in which they are expected to work. In recent years, picketing has been used by campaigning and protest groups as an effective way of bringing their views to public attention, for example, by picketing premises where politicians are due to attend, demonstrating outside head offices of organisations and 'blockading' ports and airports supporting live animal exports. The law gives special status to picketing when it is related to an industrial dispute, but no special exemption under the criminal law. However, most picketing is lawful unless it causes an obstruction of the highway or is designed to intimidate.

You are protected under the civil law if you picket in connection with an industrial dispute at or near your workplace for the purpose of peacefully obtaining or communicating information or peacefully persuading any person to work or abstain from working (Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1992). Employers have increasingly used the civil courts to get injunctions in order to limit the effectiveness of picketing. Injunctions have been granted on the basis that it was not the workplace of some or all of the pickets, or that the picketing was not peaceful. Unions that continue to picket in breach of an injunction are in contempt of court and liable to pay very heavy fines. By injunction the court can limit the location and number of pickets and impose conditions on their conduct.

No legal case has been decided which specifies that a particular number of pickets at the location of an industrial dispute will always be lawful. But a government Code of Practice, which the courts can refer to, suggests that the number of pickets at any entrance to a workplace should not generally exceed six. In applications for injunctions, the civil courts have tended to set the upper limit of the number of pickets that must be allowed at six. Other cases have given the police very wide discretion to limit the number of pickets if they believe it to be necessary to prevent a breach of the peace or an obstruction of the highway.

Secondary picketing - picketing at a workplace or premises where you do not work - does not have the same civil law protection, but is not a criminal offence. It is worth remembering that the police do not have any enhanced powers over secondary pickets and it is not their job to enforce the civil law on picketing, even if an injunction is in force. Their general powers in this area are dealt with below.

Police Powers and Picketing
Giving the police greater power to control and restrict picketing was a primary purpose of the POA. Any picket of two or more people is a 'public assembly' and therefore subject to police conditions under the POA. In addition to the power to impose conditions, the police possess a wide range of public order powers to restrict and control picketing and to arrest pickets for various offences. These include:

• Obstruction of the highway on the basis of too many pickets, even if they are moving, or a single picket trying to compel a driver to stop and listen.
• Obstruction of the police - for example, refusing to comply with lawful directions when the police are acting to prevent a breach of the peace.
• Using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour (Section 4, POA).
• Disorderly conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress (Section 5, POA).
• Aggravated trespass (Section 68, Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994).
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LLETS NAME AND SHAME.
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Re: Small offices not striking

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pdosouth wrote:Were a little office and were going out. We have to lapse mon/tue, we`ve lost numerous walks, we cant go out until every round has been prepped which is NEVER before our out time as theres about 40 rounds and about 18 full time staff- the big office down the road are out everyday @ 8-815, and there going home and I still have 2 bags left, and I start work 45mins before them and we get paid the same and ive got 17 years service in, its damm wrong :mad . We do primary sorting for 2 hrs a day, we clear everything everyday , no matter what it is. We knocked backed geo route several times coz its always wrong, has us doing rounds for 6 hrs ! But now they say its coming no matter what ,and its going to cut another 7 rounds meaning everyone gets another 2 rows to take. We get followed , harrassed, threatened with prep test etc etc when we book overtime and cant clear. We`ve had people sacked for not fastening helmets and not having the right tyre pressure on their bikes. We have to make sure we sign in, sign out,wear boots, weigh bags, checked bikes/vans daily, do the daily tick sheet. the list really does go on and on and we get treated like criminals, or like we work for the secret service. Its a laugh
Sounds like my office aswell.....
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Re: Small offices not striking

Post by BELIAL »

brothermagrew wrote:
BELIAL wrote:
Tamsky wrote:Hi Hess

You can only picket your own place of work but an area or Divi rep can picket their patch.
Think you might be able to picket an alternative office if it is nearer to your home :wink:

Picketing
For more than a century, trade unions and organised groups of workers have used picketing as a powerful means of protecting their employment rights and improving the conditions in which they are expected to work. In recent years, picketing has been used by campaigning and protest groups as an effective way of bringing their views to public attention, for example, by picketing premises where politicians are due to attend, demonstrating outside head offices of organisations and 'blockading' ports and airports supporting live animal exports. The law gives special status to picketing when it is related to an industrial dispute, but no special exemption under the criminal law. However, most picketing is lawful unless it causes an obstruction of the highway or is designed to intimidate.

You are protected under the civil law if you picket in connection with an industrial dispute at or near your workplace for the purpose of peacefully obtaining or communicating information or peacefully persuading any person to work or abstain from working (Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1992). Employers have increasingly used the civil courts to get injunctions in order to limit the effectiveness of picketing. Injunctions have been granted on the basis that it was not the workplace of some or all of the pickets, or that the picketing was not peaceful. Unions that continue to picket in breach of an injunction are in contempt of court and liable to pay very heavy fines. By injunction the court can limit the location and number of pickets and impose conditions on their conduct.

No legal case has been decided which specifies that a particular number of pickets at the location of an industrial dispute will always be lawful. But a government Code of Practice, which the courts can refer to, suggests that the number of pickets at any entrance to a workplace should not generally exceed six. In applications for injunctions, the civil courts have tended to set the upper limit of the number of pickets that must be allowed at six. Other cases have given the police very wide discretion to limit the number of pickets if they believe it to be necessary to prevent a breach of the peace or an obstruction of the highway.

Secondary picketing - picketing at a workplace or premises where you do not work - does not have the same civil law protection, but is not a criminal offence. It is worth remembering that the police do not have any enhanced powers over secondary pickets and it is not their job to enforce the civil law on picketing, even if an injunction is in force. Their general powers in this area are dealt with below.

Police Powers and Picketing
Giving the police greater power to control and restrict picketing was a primary purpose of the POA. Any picket of two or more people is a 'public assembly' and therefore subject to police conditions under the POA. In addition to the power to impose conditions, the police possess a wide range of public order powers to restrict and control picketing and to arrest pickets for various offences. These include:

• Obstruction of the highway on the basis of too many pickets, even if they are moving, or a single picket trying to compel a driver to stop and listen.
• Obstruction of the police - for example, refusing to comply with lawful directions when the police are acting to prevent a breach of the peace.
• Using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour (Section 4, POA).
• Disorderly conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress (Section 5, POA).
• Aggravated trespass (Section 68, Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994).




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Inducement in the course of picketing is not itself lawful simply because the industrial action supported by the picketing is lawfully organised. For such inducement to be lawful it must satisfy certain conditions laid down by the law.

These conditions include the following:

that the picketing is at or near the pickets' own place of work; and

that the purpose of the picketing is peacefully to obtain or communicate information, or peacefully to persuade a person to work or not to work.

There are, however, three exceptions to the rule that an inducement in the course of picketing has immunity only if it is done at or near the pickets' own place of work.

First, a trade union official may accompany a member of his union whom he represents so long as the member is picketing at his own place of work. Secondly, a person (for example, a mobile worker) who does not normally work at one particular place, or for whom it is impracticable to picket at his actual place of work, may picket at the premises of the employer from which he works or from which the work is administered. Thirdly, a person who is not in employment may picket at his former place of work in contemplation or furtherance of a trade dispute, but only if the termination of his employment gave rise to or is connected with the dispute in support of which he is picketing.

Thanks brother but think your bit missed this, hope it proves useful :wink:
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Re: Small offices not striking

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:no no
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Re: Small offices not striking

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could be rochester