ROYAL MAIL DISPUTE: LEAKED ROYAL MAIL STRATEGY DOCUMENT

[kingtubby]

Well, the job has changed a huge amount in the last 10-15 years, the "dodges wheezes and scams and restrictive practices" you speak of are long gone - just a convenient sound bite spouted by Crozier.

Well workers got away with so much for so long, its hardly surprising that they dont get much support when the pendulum is swinging a little the other way. This is the price of of all those shop stewards who fought modernisation to feather their nests.

Ah, blessed ignorance
You have no cogent arguments I'm afraid.

[jaja]

Why do i get a bad feeling were walking into a trap by striking!They seem to be all geared up for this.However their plan can only work if we cave in after a few weeks national if we can last we have a chance!!?

personally, as a customer, who cares? Why would I miss what Royal Mail send me, and what couldnt I achieve by other means for a few months. There are plenty of other carriers these days. For statements and bills it will just push us all to go paperless and probably save ourselves a quid or two on each in the process. How many of us could save money if we went for direct debits and online billing for service providers? Most of us!

I think the posties will be demonised for striking in the run up to christmas, as they always seem to try and hurt the customers at the most insensitive time of year. I dont think they will get much support.

Its just like we always notice as customers how train workers seem to like striking to give themselves long weekends in nice barbecue weather. Its all a wheeze for them to feather their own nests, and we simply wont tolerate it any more.

Everyone has to work hard, its tough for everyone in a recession. Posties just need to knuckle down on the same basis as the private sector.

as they always seem to try and hurt the customers at the most insensitive time of year. I dont think they will get much support.

Hey Postal customer its NOT the posties fault, and if there are plenty of carriers out there go to them, pay treble the costs and see if the quality is better..I dont think so

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I'll be happy to use other carriers as long as the strike lasts, it will be worth it, in my personal opinion.

I dont mind a short term cost increase if we get lasting change.

What you will get is a long term cost increase once your heroes Mandy and Sadam get their way. The lasting change will be mail delivered at 16.00. Should I care? Not really.

[kingtubby]

Well, the job has changed a huge amount in the last 10-15 years, the "dodges wheezes and scams and restrictive practices" you speak of are long gone - just a convenient sound bite spouted by Crozier.

Well workers got away with so much for so long, its hardly surprising that they dont get much support when the pendulum is swinging a little the other way. This is the price of of all those shop stewards who fought modernisation to feather their nests.

Ah, blessed ignorance
You have no cogent arguments I'm afraid.

er, somehow I think that management, government and the public are all lined up on a different side to the one you are on

Well, we now know that 'the shareholder' (government) has colluded with RM in the run up to this managed dispute and the government at the moment is effectively Mandelson. Mandelson has had his nose put out of joint and is on a bit of a retribution kick at the moment, in my view.
As for the public, it's a moot point but I wouldn't be so certain which side they are on, if they can be described en masse.

[ldsposti]

Hi what he fails to point out is the number of pensioners deal in cash only i'd say 60% of my round are pensioners and they know when the bills are due and they pay them in cash only, they know what we have to put up with and how we are treated and from the ones i have spoken with they are backing us most want to know why the goverment are just sitting back and letting this happen, oh and as for his comments about paying bills online not everyone has a pc and can afford to pay a service provider.
just like to having read this guys remarks severel times the he chooses his words make me think he is no jo public could he be a plank sorry plant because the way it is written it is in the same style that rm would do he is only listening to one side and its not ours.
oh maybe i was right he is a plank :mfo :mfo :mfo :cfo :cfo :cfo

[itllnottouchyou]

I'll be happy to use other carriers as long as the strike lasts, it will be worth it, in my personal opinion.

I dont mind a short term cost increase if we get lasting change.

What you will get is a long term cost increase once your heroes Mandy and Sadam get their way. The lasting change will be mail delivered at 16.00. Should I care? Not really.

fellow 76% do rise to the bait of this clown he is just a wind up!! he s doing some shouting now cos his giro gets paid straight into his bank and dos nt care when he gets his post!!

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I'll be happy to use other carriers as long as the strike lasts, it will be worth it, in my personal opinion.

I dont mind a short term cost increase if we get lasting change.

What you will get is a long term cost increase once your heroes Mandy and Sadam get their way. The lasting change will be mail delivered at 16.00. Should I care? Not really.

fellow 76% do rise to the bait of this clown he is just a wind up!! he s doing some shouting now cos his giro gets paid straight into his bank and dos nt care when he gets his post!!

He's certainly the village idiot, but I enjoy a laugh.

[Broxi51]

Everyone has to work hard, its tough for everyone in a recession. Posties just need to knuckle down on the same basis as the private sector.

I and thousands of other posties do work hard. We dont mind working hard. What we do mind is RM offering 1 hour contracts to unemployed with families with the promise of long hours and then taking all the hours away when they want, leaving the 1 hr contract postie up s**t creek. What we do mind is pensioners forking out 75p for a 1st class letter just because Brussells want an even keel postal service across europe and so that the new shareholders get a lot richer for a same service that was provided for 21p.

You keep going on saying that you want a decent postal service. What is that in your eyes? Can you live with getting your mail later and later if it gets to you at all because most posties still working for RM wont give a toss anymore because we fought for RM as a service and people like you crapped on us. So enjoy the s**t that will follow if RM win cause it aint going to be anywhere near as rosy as you think.

[*The Lone Postie*]

Thats it as a rural Postie next time DHL/HNW etc ask me for directions im charging £1...=bout 10+ a week

[mailman337]

The leaked document in PDF format - http://rubbishroyalmail.co.uk/viewtopic ... 9&t=51#p71" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have a look at this one man forum, its hilarious , mind you he has to use our forum for reliable info :mfo :mfo :mfo :mfo :mfo :cfo :cfo :cfo :cfo :cfo

[mailman337]

In this day of telephone and email, there is not much that would really inconvenience me with the strike.

Then don't let the door hit you on the arse as you goose step out!

Seig Heill !!!!

[*The Lone Postie*]

Off the mark ere but if we lost WW2 we'd hav an excellent postal service now,Germany still win

[lovejoy]

To be honest guys I'd just take that poster as someone trying to throw the debate off track.

We need to ignore him and focus on the document. Every single one of us needs to make sure we speak to all of our colleagues and let them know the truth.

Royal Mail want to smash this Union. Whatever you think of the CWU, without it you would face the bullies on your own!

Royal Mail wants to sail through this dispute, get a deal (or not) then after Christmas announce a further closure plan. this cannot be allowed to happen. The future Mail Centre and Network structure has to be agreed NOW.

The delivery plans are bordering on a joke. No pay rise this year then take another hit on your D2D, work longer than ever and basically adopt a yes sir, no sir approach.

If we stand by and let Royal Mail win this dispute then our working lives are finished. This is the greatest industrial dispute of our time but do not be fooled by the right wing media painting us as the next miners! Firstly we've had a ballot, secondly we are not on an all out strike and Royal Mail hate it that the strikes have (in the main) stayed official and given us tactical control of the dispute. Most importantly though unlike the miners who took action in the summer when coal was not needed we are heading at 100mph into the heaviest period of the year!!

The way I see it we all have a very simple choice. We can lay down and die alongside lowlife, soul selling, strike breaking managers or we can stand up and fight for the future of our industry.

I know where I'll be - on the picket line as there is no way i want to tell my grandchildren in 20 years that I crossed the picket line and handed my industry over to bullies and unelected, unsupported fat cats, WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT!!!!!!

[steven100]

Another saying that you may have heard, i'm not sure if its been said here on the board but probably by management

IF YOU AIN;T HAPPY GET ANOTHER JOB

[underpaidoverwalked]

Well having read the document, as a customer I wholly support the Management's view.

I dont see why the union should get anything more than they are required as a minimum under law.

The restrictive practices should be renegotiated. Transformation programmes must be pushed through.

This document looks like a breath of fresh air, the management and government should have had the bottle to sort this out years ago.

As a customer I can live with a bit of disruption for a few months if we get a modernised service at the end of it.

In this day of telephone and email, there is not much that would really inconvenience me with the strike, it will just encourage me to go with paperless options for billing and statements, and any packages I need can be delivered by other providers.

The postal workers need to realise they are shooting themselves in the foot, and that they will lose business and lose more jobs the longer they strike. The only people who will be seriously inconvenienced by this are the postal workers themsleves.

Bring it on.

I want to see a modern postal service I can be proud of as a British consumer.

well said mr crozier ip block now pls