5. At 7:48pm on 15 Oct 2009, brossen99 wrote:
It would appear that the latent unrest amongst postal workers which has led to the proposed strikes was originally precipitated when management forced front line posties to start at least an hour later in the morning. Anyone with any intelligence who has ever worked in front line distribution knows full well that an hour in the morning is worth two in the afternoon as far a productivity is concerned. Perhaps management were too feckless to get up early in the morning, or perhaps they wanted the extra hour in bed to recover from their previous nights heavy drinking.
One manager at our local semi-rural sorting office was recently caught red handed opening mail and stealing valuables running into thousands of pounds. It took some first class surveillance to catch him, it had been going on for ages and perhaps the front line posties were originally in the frame. It always the same when large organizations parachute in university trained alleged logistics experts, when the true method to train efficient management is to start everyone at the bottom and cultivate those with aptitude for the job.
All too often in recent British industrial history those promoted to management have often been those no use at doing the practical jobs. This causes resentment and I can well imagine university trained management using satellite navigation systems to decide routes when the best way to get round the job has been established by long experience.
Perhaps the fact that our postal service was better in the 1930's using steam trains speaks volumes for the effectiveness of the current management of our postal services.
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Stormproof
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did'nt realise there was a comments section on that blog page

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Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
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Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
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S6 Stroller
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That is a thing of great beauty and pretty much replicates what a lady of 'mature years' was saying to me earlier. Naturally I declined to comment...for about 2 seconds then agreed wholeheartedly with everything she said! One chap today wished us all luck too. Quite a heartwarming day all-in-allIt always the same when large organizations parachute in university trained alleged logistics experts, when the true method to train efficient management is to start everyone at the bottom and cultivate those with aptitude for the job.
All too often in recent British industrial history those promoted to management have often been those no use at doing the practical jobs. This causes resentment and I can well imagine university trained management using satellite navigation systems to decide routes when the best way to get round the job has been established by long experience.
Perhaps the fact that our postal service was better in the 1930's using steam trains speaks volumes for the effectiveness of the current management of our postal services.
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Re: Newsnight Tonight
On now. Billy Hayes is on it.
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oypostie
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Think he was right to avoid it. That issues for another day.
His main point was to get across the reluctance of Royal Mail and the government i.e. the prince of darkness to bring in a third party to investigate. For once i thought he got his point across but as for the other bloke..... Suggests he pops down his local mail centre / delivery office to see what it's really like
His main point was to get across the reluctance of Royal Mail and the government i.e. the prince of darkness to bring in a third party to investigate. For once i thought he got his point across but as for the other bloke..... Suggests he pops down his local mail centre / delivery office to see what it's really like
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spiderman wrote:Hmmm, wonder why Billy would not comment on disaffiliating from Labour? Was pushed several times on it, but would not comment.
Fair play to him on that though. It would have opened a can of worms and sidelined the main issue of...............LYING, BULLYING SCUM!!!
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He handled it pretty well I thought. Better to say less than neccessary now. I hope this hits national level on the news tomorow.
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kingtubby
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Re: Newsnight Tonight
Obviously side stepped the disaffiliation point, but otherwise was fairly succinct , for a changebaldrick wrote:On now. Billy Hayes is on it.
I thought Emily Thornbury was quite good given the limited time, but the other business guy was full of the usual ill informed rubbish.
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Who the f**k are "the Policy Exchange Group" And why does some prat with an MBA get to comment ,what an ignorant tit, but how does he get on there in the first place

Bye
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Its not within Billys power to break the link thats a NEC power and we the entire levy paying membership will be balloted before the link is broken.
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he can think it all he likes.spiderman wrote:Hmmm, wonder why Billy would not comment on disaffiliating from Labour? Was pushed several times on it, but would not comment.
wouldn't have been clever to say it right then!
we don't want to seem petty like we threatening to take our ball home..
I'm a postman-and i know where you live.....
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Wow. So I'm not paranoid. Royal Mail management are after destroying the service and us for their own aims - and are supported by the government.
The fight is on - i'm past caring about working for RM - but i will fight you swine all the way to save our postal service.
Billy - Even he came across well as such a disgusting sick RM management scandal was exposed.
Emily Labour MP - well said lass - a great deal of common sense.
Neil O'Brien - faceless talking head nazi apologist lying idiot - give up your soft lad think tank job and try doing what we do you big jessie. Then comment with facts rather than baseless lies.
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On your bikes tossers.
The fight is on - i'm past caring about working for RM - but i will fight you swine all the way to save our postal service.
Billy - Even he came across well as such a disgusting sick RM management scandal was exposed.
Emily Labour MP - well said lass - a great deal of common sense.
Neil O'Brien - faceless talking head nazi apologist lying idiot - give up your soft lad think tank job and try doing what we do you big jessie. Then comment with facts rather than baseless lies.
:cfo :mfo
On your bikes tossers.
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Re: Newsnight Tonight
googled it and it seems they're some sort of right wing free market think-tank type thing. apparently pro cameron, and probably wetting themselves over the possibility of having influence with the next PM...BELIAL wrote:Who the f**k are "the Policy Exchange Group" And why does some prat with an MBA get to comment ,what an ignorant tit, but how does he get on there in the first place![]()
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Well said!!Dee Plish wrote:Wow. So I'm not paranoid. Royal Mail management are after destroying the service and us for their own aims - and are supported by the government.
The fight is on - i'm past caring about working for RM - but i will fight you swine all the way to save our postal service.
Billy - Even he came across well as such a disgusting sick RM management scandal was exposed.
Emily Labour MP - well said lass - a great deal of common sense.
Neil O'Brien - faceless talking head nazi apologist lying idiot - give up your soft lad think tank job and try doing what we do you big jessie. Then comment with facts rather than baseless lies.
:cfo :mfo
On your bikes tossers.
WTF is a think tank anyway??
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I agree with you that Billy came out quite well in that in that interview, as for Neil O'brien, what a moronDee Plish wrote:
Billy - Even he came across well as such a disgusting sick RM management scandal was exposed.
Emily Labour MP - well said lass - a great deal of common sense.
Neil O'Brien - faceless talking head nazi apologist lying idiot - give up your soft lad think tank job and try doing what we do you big jessie. Then comment with facts rather than baseless lies.
:cfo :mfo
On your bikes tossers.
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Sparrowhawk
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Re: Newsnight Tonight
So , RM plans to force through all changes with or without agreement ! Why don't RM want ACAS involved ? What have they got to hide ?
They are f***ing around with OUR jobs , OUR future and the PUBLIC SERVICE we provide ! :cfo :mfo
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I wonder how much of a bonus :cfo will get when RM no longer exists ? Meanwhile WE are the bad ones accused of causing the ultimate demise of RM JUST because we care about the service , Health and Safety in the workplace and are fighting AGAINST the total destruction of the company
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Any managers looking in , make the most of any bonuses you get now because it isn't going to last much longer.
They are f***ing around with OUR jobs , OUR future and the PUBLIC SERVICE we provide ! :cfo :mfo
I wonder how much of a bonus :cfo will get when RM no longer exists ? Meanwhile WE are the bad ones accused of causing the ultimate demise of RM JUST because we care about the service , Health and Safety in the workplace and are fighting AGAINST the total destruction of the company
Any managers looking in , make the most of any bonuses you get now because it isn't going to last much longer.