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Another Reason Why A 'Yes' Vote Is Imperitive

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Ahebban wrote:And 200 plus f**king years later politicians are still f**king things up for the ordinary working man whilst feathering their own nest and that of the business fraternity ...

and if i remember my history correctly, it was under Disraeli's government, pressured by the newly-formed union movements of the early 1800s, and a national social conscience, that Acts were eventually passed improving workers rights in the mid- to late-1800s. Included among the Acts was the abolition of kids as chimney sweeps and many other practices involving the use of children as a source of labour ...

history has taught the ordinary working man that if he wishes to improve his working life he has to fight for it.
Yep did great for the mining industry in this country, their working lives were really improved, so much so 99% of them no longer have to go under ground.
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Try reading the history of the Bryant-May match girls of the late 1800's. That's sure to make your jaw drop. :sad:
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bexhil palace wrote:Try reading the history of the Bryant-May match girls of the late 1800's. That's sure to make your jaw drop. :sad:
quite!
also 1880: The Employers' Liability Act extended protection to workers concerning accidents caused by the negligence of managers, superintendents and foremen. Railway companies were also made liable when their employees were injured through the negligence of signalmen, drivers and pointsmen. However, the act did not protect employees against accidents caused by fellow workers.

and before Pegman credits politicians with this act of charity let me say &0110(k$(as if) as politicians only respond to the will of the people when its made clear to them!
and that unions were for many years the only peoples voice prior to the birth of the labour party .
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bexhil palace wrote:Try reading the history of the Bryant-May match girls of the late 1800's. That's sure to make your jaw drop. :sad:
Another company that no longer exists in the UK.............wonder why that is ? :whistle
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In 1971 the Northern Ireland factory, Maguire & Patterson closed down following a terrorist attack. The original Bow match factory was closed in 1979, when it still employed 275 people; unlike some of the other match factories little recent investment had taken place. The Bow factory premises is a listed building and was subsequently converted into flats.

In the 1980s, factories in Gloucester and Glasgow closed too leaving Liverpool as the last match factory in the UK. This continued until December 1994. The premises survive today as The Matchworks office complex.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:In 1971 the Northern Ireland factory, Maguire & Patterson closed down following a terrorist attack. The original Bow match factory was closed in 1979, when it still employed 275 people; unlike some of the other match factories little recent investment had taken place. The Bow factory premises is a listed building and was subsequently converted into flats.

In the 1980s, factories in Gloucester and Glasgow closed too leaving Liverpool as the last match factory in the UK. This continued until December 1994. The premises survive today as The Matchworks office complex.
The Bryant and May factory still stand in Gloucester on the Bristol Road, a fine Victorian building, now a trading "estate" with several different companies occupying the space, i actually worked with the last owners grandson in 1975, not long after it had closed, he told me the name Bryant & May sold for more than the factory !!
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Pegman wrote:
bexhil palace wrote:Try reading the history of the Bryant-May match girls of the late 1800's. That's sure to make your jaw drop. :sad:
Another company that no longer exists in the UK.............wonder why that is ? :whistle
Think he's talking about phosyjaw ,are you a complete numbskull ignoramus or just pretending?
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Pegman wrote:
shelanda wrote:
Pegman wrote:You know what.

If you lot are so pissed off with the pay and conditions why don;t you all resign and go and get another job
If Unions didn't fight for conditions, if they just said bucket I will leave we would still have kids up chimneys etc. etc. Someone has to stand up and say enough is enough and take sacrifices to achieve that.
Unions had sod all to do with lads chimneys, I think you need to go and read some history books.

Sorry thought that you were inteligent enough to work out the meaning behind it!
People cannot just accept everything when it is wrong and if it is not wrong in your office don't worry it is heading your way, and who do you think gets the agreements to give you pay rises better conditions etc. Oh yes the UNION and it's MEMBERS!!
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BELIAL wrote:
Pegman wrote:
bexhil palace wrote:Try reading the history of the Bryant-May match girls of the late 1800's. That's sure to make your jaw drop. :sad:
Another company that no longer exists in the UK.............wonder why that is ? :whistle
Think he's talking about phosyjaw ,are you a complete numbskull ignoramus or just pretending?
Ha Ha

Now you are confusing the match girls with the girls who painted watch faces and hands, they used to lick the brushes to get a finer tip and so ate the phosphurus
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Pegman wrote: Ha Ha

Now you are confusing the match girls with the girls who painted watch faces and hands, they used to lick the brushes to get a finer tip and so ate the phosphurus
Wrong about the match girls not getting Phossy Jaw:

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In June 1888, Clementina Black gave a speech on Female Labour at a Fabian Society meeting in London. Annie Besant, a member of the audience, was horrified when she heard about the pay and conditions of the women working at the Bryant & May match factory.

The next day, Annie Besant went and interviewed some of the people who worked at Bryant & May. She discovered that the women worked fourteen hours a day for a wage of less than five shillings a week. However, they did not always received their full wage because of a system of fines, ranging from three pence to one shilling, imposed by the Bryant & May management. Offences included talking, dropping matches or going to the toilet without permission. The women worked from 6.30 am in summer (8.00 in winter) to 6.00 pm. If workers were late, they were fined a half-day's pay.

Annie Besant also discovered that the health of the women had been severely affected by the phosphorous that they used to make the matches. This caused yellowing of the skin and hair loss and phossy jaw, a form of bone cancer. The whole side of the face turned green and then black, discharging foul-smelling pus and finally death. Although phosphorous was banned in Sweden and the USA, the British government had refused to follow their example, arguing that it would be a restraint of free trade.

On 23rd June 1888, Annie Besant wrote an article in her newspaper, The Link. The article, entitled White Slavery in London, complained about the way the women at Bryant & May were being treated. The company reacted by attempting to force their workers to sign a statement that they were happy with their working conditions. When a group of women refused to sign, the organisers of the group was sacked. The response was immediate; 1400 of the women at Bryant & May went on strike.

William Stead, the editor of the Pall Mall Gazette, Henry Hyde Champion of the Labour Elector and Catharine Booth of the Salvation Army joined Besant in her campaign for better working conditions in the factory. So also did Sydney Oliver, Stewart Headlam, Hubert Bland, Graham Wallas and George Bernard Shaw. However, other newspapers such as The Times, blamed Besant and other socialist agitators for the dispute.

Annie Besant, William Stead and Henry Hyde Champion used their newspapers to call for a boycott of Bryant & May matches. The women at the company also decided to form a Matchgirls' Union and Besant agreed to become its leader. After three weeks the company announced that it was willing to re-employ the dismissed women and would also bring an end to the fines system. The women accepted the terms and returned in triumph. The Bryant & May dispute was the first strike by unorganized workers to gain national publicity. It was also successful at helped to inspire the formation of unions all over the country.

Annie Besant, William Stead, Catharine Booth, William Booth and Henry Hyde Champion continued to campaign against the use of yellow phosphorous. In 1891 the Salvation Army opened its own match-factory in Old Ford, East London. Only using harmless red phosphorus, the workers were soon producing six million boxes a year. Whereas Bryant & May paid their workers just over twopence a gross, the Salvation Army paid their employees twice this amount.

William Booth organised conducted tours of MPs and journalists round this 'model' factory. He also took them to the homes of those "sweated workers" who were working eleven and twelve hours a day producing matches for companies like Bryant & May. The bad publicity that the company received forced the company to reconsider its policy. In 1901, Gilbert Bartholomew, managing director of Bryant & May, announced it had stopped used yellow phosphorus.
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In my weekly resource meeting today I was served notice of intent to implement the 8 hour Saturday for 4 weeks (week commencing 30/11/09). I of course will be registering Disagreement.
They are looking to change O.P.G's attendance times from 06:15-14:33(Mon-Fri) & 06:15-12:45(Sat) to 06:30-14:30(Mon-Fri) & 06:00-14:00(Sat).
They also plan to change our Drivers attendance times from 05:30-13:48(Mon-Fri) & 05:30-12:00(Sat) to 06:00-14:00(Mon-Sat).
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Pegman wrote:
BELIAL wrote:
Pegman wrote:
bexhil palace wrote:Try reading the history of the Bryant-May match girls of the late 1800's. That's sure to make your jaw drop. :sad:
Another company that no longer exists in the UK.............wonder why that is ? :whistle
Think he's talking about phosyjaw ,are you a complete numbskull ignoramus or just pretending?
Ha Ha

Now you are confusing the match girls with the girls who painted watch faces and hands, they used to lick the brushes to get a finer tip and so ate the phosphurus
Well thats the pretending option ruled out :chuckle
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Pegman wrote:
Ha Ha

Now you are confusing the match girls with the girls who painted watch faces and hands, they used to lick the brushes to get a finer tip and so ate the phosphurus
If I remember my QI properly that was radium not phosphorous :hmmmm
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Yes, you're right. It caused exactly the same desiese, but was a totally different source. Specifially, it was the Radiation, from the Radium, that caused it.
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