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How Royal Mail fiddles the figures

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How Royal Mail fiddles the figures

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It is easy, working in an office where we deal with a lot of incoming and outgoing post, to forget the reasons behind the intermittent CWU industrial action and see it as a minor irritation -- after all, if something's really important, we can always bike it, can't we? So it's good to see this timely (and shocking) report in the current LRB on how Royal Mail is fiddling its figures in order to justify part-privatisation:
Mail is delivered to the offices in grey boxes. These are a standard size, big enough to carry a few hundred letters. The mail is sorted from these boxes, put into pigeonholes representing the separate walks, and from there carried over to the frames. This is what is called "internal sorting" and it is the job of the full-timers, who come into work early to do it. In the past, the volume of mail was estimated by weighing the boxes. These days it is done by averages. There is an estimate for the number of letters that each box contains, decided on by national agreement between the management and the union. That number is 208. This is how the volume of mail passing through each office is worked out: 208 letters per box times the number of boxes. However, within the last year Royal Mail has arbitrarily, and without consultation, reduced the estimate for the number of letters in each box. It was 208: now they say it is 150. This arbitrary reduction more than accounts for the 10 per cent reduction that the Royal Mail claims is happening nationwide.
Fewer letters being sent these days, due to email and mobile phone use, is a truism repeated by everyone from Royal Mail managers to the Business Secretary, Peter Mandelson. In fact, as the piece makes clear, the real crisis affecting Royal Mail is not one of technology, but of a conflict between public service and private profit. The LRB's correspondent illustrates this point with a telling exchange:
We had a meeting a while back at which all the proposed changes to the business were laid out . . . We were told that the emphasis these days should be on the corporate customer. It was what the corporations wanted that mattered.

. . . Someone piped up in the middle of it. "What about Granny Smith?" he said. He's an old-fashioned sort of postman, the kind who cares about these things.

"Granny Smith is not important," was the reply. "Granny Smith doesn't matter any more."
For an indicator of what might lie ahead, I recommend you track down a copy of Jonathan Franzen's essay collection How to Be Alone, and read his gloomy but revealing mid-1990s investigation of Chicago's decrepit postal service.
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Its simple, they don't include rivals mail or they change their measurement practices. It probably unprofessional.
Although RM are a joke.
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Nuff said!
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Don't forget the trays of flats ,their numbers have shrunk mysteriously to . We all agreed there were 70 per tray on average now RM have used their wonderful creative flair with numbers and although it may appear to the uninformed observer that the trays are actually the same size as they always were ,they can now only hold 40 flats :chuckle Must be like Cadburys easter eggs in reverse .trays look the same but get smaller as the years go by :chuckle
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I propose that this should be a "sticky"!!! Could not have written this diary any better myself. The CWU should post this to EVERY member. Brilliant
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For an indicator of what might lie ahead, I recommend you track down a copy of Jonathan Franzen's essay collection How to Be Alone, and read his gloomy but revealing mid-1990s investigation of Chicago's decrepit postal service.
Check out Bukowski's 'Post Office'. It was written in 1970's America but it shows how little has changed in how the postal service is run today - by bullying and intimidation.

Its also very funny in a tragic kind of way. From a review:
"It began as a mistake." By middle age, Henry Chinaski has lost more than twelve years of his life to the U.S. Postal Service. In a world where his three true, bitter pleasures are women, booze, and racetrack betting, he somehow drags his hangover out of bed every dawn to lug waterlogged mailbags up mud-soaked mountains, outsmart vicious guard dogs, and pray to survive the day-to-day trials of sadistic bosses and certifiable coworkers.
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You're preaching to the choir here Teebs! Although I daresay there will be a few nuggets who really do think mail volumes are dropping off.
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Just in case you missed it:

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I remember when trays held 50+ flats
In fact i think they still do!
It was some time around April my friends in processing reported that flats being scanned into the system were
being credited 30 something to a tray and a similar scale of reduction to letters trays.

A query to a manager was brushed aside with the assertion that mail profiles were changing ie more catalogs so fatter mail means less items.
utter drivel!
At the time there was a lot of deliberation going on at Swindon as managers planning for the combined weight of Reading and Oxfords mail were discussing the necessary staff levels.
Underplaying the amount of mail that these mail centers were handling was probably not a good idea .
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These 'grey trays' have been known to contain 400 items upon closer inspection :d'oh!
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The Jarvie Ward wrote:These 'grey trays' have been known to contain 400 items upon closer inspection :d'oh!

Correct.

When I started on the duty I am on now the WLA officers had come up with an Average Tray Fill of 58 flats. Overnight (literally) the ACF on the computer had gone down to 45!
I spent an entire shift doing my own WLA - counting every single flat all night. (Sad git!) At the end I did the division and the actual average number of flats per tray for that shift alone was 88 - and that's only on one stream. One tray contained 299! :crazy:
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Donk wrote:
The Jarvie Ward wrote:These 'grey trays' have been known to contain 400 items upon closer inspection :d'oh!

Correct.

When I started on the duty I am on now the WLA officers had come up with an Average Tray Fill of 58 flats. Overnight (literally) the ACF on the computer had gone down to 45!
I spent an entire shift doing my own WLA - counting every single flat all night. (Sad git!) At the end I did the division and the actual average number of flats per tray for that shift alone was 88 - and that's only on one stream. One tray contained 299! :crazy:
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Post by taxi4leighton »

our "flat trays" have more letters in them than flats, so obviously there are more letters than they would be flats, but they are getting recorded as flats so probably 30 + flats,when in fact there is usually 20+ flats and 40+ letters in them.
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Don't believe a word what RM say, its all basically bollocks! We all know mail is not in decline except a for a few on this forum. So the crap goes on.
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I personally believe that volumes are down, but admit to not working in RM anymore.

As said before even if for argument's sake volumes were not down then revenues are down. You see ultimately it doesn't matter if volumes are the same if the money hasn't come in to pay for them or that companies have found cheaper options, e.g. convert from 1st/2nd class to Mailsort or going to DSA or from 1st class to 2nd class etc. then less revenue per item delivered comes through the door.

As with all these things RM can then still create a story around the financials (within the accounting rules).

So one man's truth is another man's lies/half-truths or difference of opinion

No-one actually knows what the volumes are. The volumes counted at one end of the RM pipeline never match the ones at the other end. Unless every item was tagged on entrance into RM it is almost impossible or too expensive.

On top of this there is still a revenue gap in terms of getting all the invoices paid for the letters than come in

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