PERFORMING OVERTIME DURING STRIKE ACTION

[Ahebban]

TBT is right to distinguish between the 'processing' and 'delivery' of scab mail.

As for comments regarding CWU HQ not taking issue with early starts and delivery by car .. there have been campaigns devoted to doing 'the job properly and safely' which covered these issues among others. Delivery by car is not a new issue that has come out of the 2007 dispute. I have archived LTBs dating back to the 1990s where the use of own cars for delivery was causing concern.

The CWU, to my knowledge, has never rejected out of hand any request from RM for discussion over any matter. That image is only portrayed once RM can't get it's own way over a particular issue. There will always be grey areas in national agreements which, rightly, need to be agreed at local level as no two DOs or MCs quite work in the same manner.

I, and colleagues at my Delivery DO, have been bombarded daily by our DOM seeking o/t volunteers to sort/process mail/packets from an overwhelmed MC. All he receives in return is the expected derisory laughter to his request. One would hope that CWU members would see the sense in presenting a united front to RM, and not require reminding of their commitment and duty to support CWU and its members when in dispute, whether directly or indirectly affecting you personally.

Apologies to Tesco for any copyright infringements but the following phrase seems apt ... 'Every little helps'

[postghost]

As TBT says i think your post didnt make it clear you were on delivery.

He never said I did not make it clear.

Some of you just do not read properly.

[lover]

this is exactly whats wrong with this country..but lets not pretend your any differant.the person with no consideration for pedestrians who parks on pavement,the lazy basterd that parks on the busy road and leaves his driveway empty,parks on junctions, leaves their car doors open blocking the pavement.doesnt bother clearing the path to the front door because they use their side door..lets their bushes overgrow the pavement cant be arsed to use their indicators because they already know where they are going so fook anyone else./quote]

You clearly have issues with life. Not my fault.

Anyway, thats one down. Any of you other die hards want to attempt to answer any of my points constructively instead of childish name calling or projecting pointless insults?

no post ,i just have issue with the selfish ,unfortunatly thats most people in this country..
can i take it your a pavement parker.
do you park your car blocking a busy road whilst your drive way stays empty?
or park on the road at the front cos its two feet closer to the door than your parking space at the back offroad.. ..

off topic.anyway...

one down hows next...who is the one down?

[lover]

As TBT says i think your post didnt make it clear you were on delivery.

He never said I did not make it clear.

Some of you just do not read properly.

its perfectly obvious to everyone that hes a delivery dude..and so am i..
but you people dont let that get in the way of your surmons

just like the guy who wants to stop driving for royal mail.that was turned into stop driving your own car..

they are relentless idiots

[postghost]

this is exactly whats wrong with this country..but lets not pretend your any differant.the person with no consideration for pedestrians who parks on pavement,the lazy basterd that parks on the busy road and leaves his driveway empty,parks on junctions, leaves their car doors open blocking the pavement.doesnt bother clearing the path to the front door because they use their side door..lets their bushes overgrow the pavement cant be arsed to use their indicators because they already know where they are going so fook anyone else./quote]

You clearly have issues with life. Not my fault.

Anyway, thats one down. Any of you other die hards want to attempt to answer any of my points constructively instead of childish name calling or projecting pointless insults?

no post ,i just have issue with the selfish ,unfortunatly thats most people in this country..
can i take it your a pavement parker.
do you park your car blocking a busy road whilst your drive way stays empty?
or park on the road at the front cos its two feet closer to the door than your parking space at the back offroad.. ..

Your argument beggars belief........all to do with parking cars

Wrong thread pal.

[DGP1]

this is exactly whats wrong with this country..but lets not pretend your any differant.the person with no consideration for pedestrians who parks on pavement,the lazy basterd that parks on the busy road and leaves his driveway empty,parks on junctions, leaves their car doors open blocking the pavement.doesnt bother clearing the path to the front door because they use their side door..lets their bushes overgrow the pavement cant be arsed to use their indicators because they already know where they are going so fook anyone else./quote]

You clearly have issues with life. Not my fault.

Anyway, thats one down. Any of you other die hards want to attempt to answer any of my points constructively instead of childish name calling or projecting pointless insults?

no post ,i just have issue with the selfish ,unfortunatly thats most people in this country..
can i take it your a pavement parker.
do you park your car blocking a busy road whilst your drive way stays empty?
or park on the road at the front cos its two feet closer to the door than your parking space at the back offroad.. ..

Your argument beggars belief........all to do with parking cars

Wrong thread pal.

I park my 4 cars on the road because I don't them messing up my driveway and garage but I do park my Bentley in the garage (not my garage my neighbours garage ).

[shelanda]

In simplistic terms I would say if your DO does not normally cut/tip/sort mail from the MC then it MUST be scab mail so if it is NOT THE NORM DON'T TOUCH IT WITH A BARGE POLE because we all want to see an end to this and the customer getting a proper service with us not having unrealistic targets to deal with, so why help management and p**s off the strikers that are losing out to achieve this!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

In simplistic terms I would say if your DO does not normally cut/tip/sort mail from the MC then it MUST be scab mail so if it is NOT THE NORM DON'T TOUCH IT WITH A BARGE POLE because we all want to see an end to this and the customer getting a proper service with us not having unrealistic targets to deal with, so why help management and p**s off the strikers that are losing out to achieve this!!

The thing is as all DO posties know we don't have time to do this is in normal time, and if they ask me to come in on docket after work, or on my day off - the answer is a simple NO. The confusion I think was because PHOSTGHOST said he would accept overtime and some posters jumped on this thinking he was Sorting and processing on docket, but I don't think he was. I thought he was getting OT on extended so posted my MODERATORS comment and hopefully that has cleared the misunderstanding.

My Personal View:

Sorting and Processing Scab Mail on Docket - No
Delivering Mail on extended - depends on the day but as we can't tell if its scab mail I can't use that to make my decision.

[thehappyones]

So POSTGHOST is that your level... P.M me with insults,so thats it ,nobodys allowed a say unless we agree with you ,your beginning to sound more like one of those SCAB managers

[mandelsons_toenail]

In simplistic terms I would say if your DO does not normally cut/tip/sort mail from the MC then it MUST be scab mail so if it is NOT THE NORM DON'T TOUCH IT WITH A BARGE POLE because we all want to see an end to this and the customer getting a proper service with us not having unrealistic targets to deal with, so why help management and p**s off the strikers that are losing out to achieve this!!

IS THAT why my DO has 30 yorks of the stuff in sacks? Not done cut and tip for years

Our office is spineless but i believe managers are cut+tipping it into trays then when were on delivery putting it onto yorks

Disgusting.

App all other offices refused it but we are seen as an easy touch which saddens me.

:mfo

[postghost]

So POSTGHOST is that your level... P.M me with insults,so thats it ,nobodys allowed a say unless we agree with you ,your beginning to sound more like one of those SCAB managers

Yeah, thats MY level.

You chose to project insults to me on the thread.

[thehappyones]

listen GHOSTIE ididnt project any insults in your direction on any thread .........that chip on your shoulder seems to be getting in your way

[Geezer]

Lets all debate the issues that are going on around the country, But lets not forget we are all in this together and need to support one another.
Just because we don't all see eye to eye doesn't mean we need to start slagging each other off, Remember in the end it's RM thats caused this grief.
SO Guys and Girls Don't let RM divide us or we will only be playing into their hands.

[PrestwickPostie]

Listen Postman ...i understand what he was trying to say and hes right idont agree with him or is colleagues actions ,but the very fact that he has let himself be dragged down to their level reveals to me that he has no integrity or principals and no respect for himself or that of his fellow workers out on the cobbles trying to get better pay and conditions so that he and his "colleagues"dont have to rely on OT ....thats the trouble with workers today its the "IM ALRIGHT JACK " SYNDROME ,and also just because hiscolleagues "do it" does that make it alright NO ,he is just trying to justify his actions and try and clear his conscience ,we all have familys some of us only have 1 wage coming in with 5 kids to feed ,but we dont stoop down to the pondlife level ,so POSTGHOST stop talking shite and be your own man........sorry for the language postman.

it could have been worse mate ... what some guys in my office done was a lot worse:

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[Geezer]

TO ALL CWU MEMBERS AND REPRESENTATIVES



Dear Colleagues

WORKING OVERTIME DURING & FOLLOWING STRIKE ACTION AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS

Next week on 28 & 29 September a national day of strike action will take place for those who have already balloted locally. In the South West this means : Plymouth , Bristol and Swindon

LAST TIME THERE WAS STRIKE ACTION SOME CWU MEMBERS VOLUNTEERED TO DO OVERTIME TO HANDLE STRIKE MAIL/DIVERTS. THEIR ACTIONS UNDERMINED THE SACRIFICE OF OTHERS. THE BRANCH VIEW IS VERY CLEAR ON THIS MATTER :

 Overtime is voluntary. No one can be forced to do it
 Examine your own consciences and decide not to handle such mail

THE LOCALISED DISPUTES HAVE HAD THE EFFECT OF FORCING ROYAL MAIL TO NEGOTIATE ON ALL THE ISSUES IN DISPUTE. THOSE TAKING ACTION ARE MAKING A SACRIFICE NOW WHICH IS BENEFITTING YOU. INDEED, THEIR EFFORTS MAY MEAN A NATIONAL DISPUTE IS AVOIDED.

PLEASE DO NOT DECIDE TO BENEFIT FINANCIALLY AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. DO NOT VOLUNTEER TO HANDLE DIVERTS. IT IS YOUR CHOICE – YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HANDLE SUCH MAIL.

THIS DOES INCLUDE ANY PRE-LISTED OVERTIME WHICH HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO CLEAR STRIKE MAIL

IF YOU ARE UNSURE WHAT TO DO OR YOU ARE PRESSURISED CONTACT YOUR AREA REP OR THE BRANCH FOR ADVICE