I Don't Support Postal Strike - Postman

[Tman]

No not necessarily, its items per household is what counts and this is not in decline! as not all mail centres count each individual item this will be a problem and until they do they will never have a true account of how much mail is in the system.

You're just not getting this, are you............?

[DGP1]

I love theses volume threads

Anyway,no bullying as far as i can see,both sides give as good as they get,although guys,come on ffs,how many more times are we gonna chat bout this.

I don't hear the fat lady singing...................

You know dgp1 is gonna come on now and you 2 are going to have a 2 page off topic chat about fat birds.

My ears where burning and now I know why anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSnZjLPor8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I have way too much time on my hands

[dvbuk55]

I love theses volume threads

Anyway,no bullying as far as i can see,both sides give as good as they get,although guys,come on ffs,how many more times are we gonna chat bout this.

I don't hear the fat lady singing...................

You know dgp1 is gonna come on now and you 2 are going to have a 2 page off topic chat about fat birds.

My ears where burning and now I know why anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSnZjLPor8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I have way too much time on my hands

Quite obviously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocj9_bj5QTs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - that pole dancing manoeuvre was far too natural if you ask me

[andy2007]

Hello
As an owner of my own business and therefore a manager - who knows nothing about the daily practice within RM i would like to say something after looking over your comments.
If i had X amount of stuff coming every day that my employees had to take out - and they could only take out a certain weight per time for H&S reasons....and if the amount of stuff started reducing i would probably need to reduce my workforce somewhat. However, if - so i could cover the same areas and therefore the same amount of customers, it would be obvious to me that the remaining people who worked for me were working harder. As they still are only meant to take a certain weight limit but were (as a result of reducing staff) having to cover a larger area. And i would value my employees very much to be honest with you. Maybe its time that managers from big businesses came to learn a bit from us smaller businesses. And maybe even try the work your employees have to do.
I adore my staff, and i tell you this. Will all the financial uncertainty i have had this year - i could not have done it without them. And when i can, i reward them. And even if i dont, they know they are appreicated.

You ADORE your staff that's why you are not or never could be a Royal Mail manager, most probably because you are a HUMAN BEING god that's rare in management.

True. But there are some. I'm lucky enough to have a good one myself. But far from being encouraged. They're often put under pressure, for putting their Staff's needs, before "the Company line". And despite that meaning that they get a more efficient section (good morale = more efficiency), things don't change much, if at all.

[Phantom]

No not necessarily, its items per household is what counts and this is not in decline! as not all mail centres count each individual item this will be a problem and until they do they will never have a true account of how much mail is in the system.

You're just not getting this, are you............?

and neither are you, i'm dealing with items i handle and thats ALL items, your're dealing in what you sort which is not everything!

[Tman]

and neither are you, i'm dealing with items i handle and thats ALL items, your're dealing in what you sort which is not everything!

I suggest you reread and digest what's been written above in this thread, because until then, you're just flogging an (irrelevantly) dead horse.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I think there is a genuine misunderstanding here.

Tman and others see the question of declining mail volumes as a Black and white situation - its either down or its not and he believes its down.

For deliveries Posties its a little more complicated - they have seen their duties get larger and larger, bag weights and total number of pouches increase, average weight per item increase. Is it any wonder that Deliveries don't quite believe that volumes are down. In the past when volumes were rising duties were not increased and process were not put in place to reflect this, but now RM have changed the way figures are collated and where items enter the pipeline, and are using these figures to increase the average workload of a delivery postie.

I have always thought that these volume threads are probably misleading the real question is do you trust and accept Royal Mails figures. Deliveries don't some do. Whether volumes are falling or not is irrelevant to the delivery postie in his day to day work, the more important figures are attendance and call rates which have either remained steady, or in the case of attendance rates - climbed, and until this is recognised and taken on board by management then there will always be this mistrust.

Tman belives the "my bags heavier now" argument is immaterial to whether volumes are down, and from his perspective he is right. Less volume for MCs means less work and therefore a chance for RM to change working systems and head counts. However, in deliveries, despite his protestations, it has everything to do with it as a heavier bag or more bags means more work, the actual number of items may be down but it has had no effect on our jobs, yet RM believe diiferent and they keep adding more to our deliveries. I guess this is a circle that will never be squared but hopefully both sides can see and accept the other sides view on this at least on RMC.

[Phantom]

and neither are you, i'm dealing with items i handle and thats ALL items, your're dealing in what you sort which is not everything!

I suggest you reread and digest what's been written above in this thread, because until then, you're just flogging an (irrelevantly) dead horse.

No dead horses here! i know what i deal with on a daily basis, how many items per day we are dealing with and you DON'T and it is more than in the same period last year! - let me know what part of this sentance you don't understand and we'll get the building blocks out, the ones with letters on!

[Tman]

Why don't you read TBT's post above? All may become clearer, and no need for building blocks or anything else.

[Suffolkpostie]

Def sounds like a manager to me! Don't think any of the other Ely posties feel the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W23cQ5Pem7w

[BELIAL]

Def sounds like a manager to me! Don't think any of the other Ely posties feel the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W23cQ5Pem7w

I like you

[Phantom]

Ok, we'll agree to disagree

[Tman]

Suffolkpostie"]Def sounds like a manager to me! Don't think any of the other Ely posties feel the same.

Maybe you should listen to the other Ely posties then, as they're clearly more perceptive than you.

[BELIAL]

What am I thinking?
Always comes back,mildly irritating,a little bit flaky,nobody likes it, it always leaves a bad smell...........Wrong! .

Athletes foot

[baldrick]

Suffolkpostie"]Def sounds like a manager to me! Don't think any of the other Ely posties feel the same.

Maybe you should listen to the other Ely posties then, as they're clearly more perceptive than you.

Like this one? - http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 18&t=18802" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;