PRIVATE CARS ON DELIVERY - ADR/ASR MEETINGS WITH DSMs

[delboy]

absolute load of rubbish, as long as you have business insurance your OK and only costs about £30ish..

[DGP1]

Is INPUNDED a bt like IMPOUNDED ?

What a load of rubbish.

I hope that's ironic

[POSTMAN]

This is from a good source 'Cwu Derbyshire Branch' so can't see this being bollox.

Most did not realise that they were covered only for third party by the business and that they ran the risk of having there own insurance being made null and void for failing to disclose that they use there cars for business purposes..

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 49&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regarding RM's bond,i'm sure it only covers you (if you've signed it or managers get you to sign it ) for the 1st bag to your 1st delivery point.

This postie could of been routinely stopped and had a car full of mail,just like the tens of thousands that do it everyday.

You use your car with no tax or MOT then your insurance is invalid...
You use your car with a boot full of mail in it then your insurance is invalid...

Kudos to the old bill in this case me thinks!

[axeman]

Don't belive your even alloud to carry a bag out in your car iirc your only covered to drive to your start point. and you must in all cases have written consent from your insurance company this is suposed to be shown to the manager prior to using your vehicle + a full check is to be carried out by the lino inc your service schedule , mot , h&s issues etc......

[pickaname]

Moral of the story : Dont use private cars on delivery.

[brothermagrew]

initial posting is a continuation of this thread.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 9&start=15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Topic should therefore be merged.

[DGP1]

initial posting is a continuation of this thread.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 9&start=15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Topic should therefore be merged.

Whoops I missed that

[brothermagrew]

initial posting is a continuation of this thread.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 9&start=15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Topic should therefore be merged.

Whoops I missed that

Nah DGP on reviewing my post I think that it is me that has gotten my wires crossed. Although it would be helpful if any future postings on the subject of Private Cars on Delivery was kept to the one main thead.

[hantsman]

This is from a good source 'Cwu Derbyshire Branch' so can't see this being bollox.

Most did not realise that they were covered only for third party by the business and that they ran the risk of having there own insurance being made null and void for failing to disclose that they use there cars for business purposes..

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 49&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regarding RM's bond,i'm sure it only covers you (if you've signed it or managers get you to sign it ) for the 1st bag to your 1st delivery point.

This postie could of been routinely stopped and had a car full of mail,just like the tens of thousands that do it everyday.

You use your car with no tax or MOT then your insurance is invalid...
You use your car with a boot full of mail in it then your insurance is invalid...

Kudos to the old bill in this case me thinks!

The above in bold I dont think is fact, your insurance may state this however I dont belive it would stand up.

[bootleg]

i was an individual who used his car on delivery until georoute gave my walk an extra 35mins work.
i told the manager that this could only be done by using my car or getting dropped off on my round and picked up,he disagreed so i left my car and got on my bike.
the time of my round is now spot on(over in some rare cases).
if you feel that your round is unfair but you use your car then please dump the car and use the official transport for that round.you will be surprised

[andy2007]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

What exactly then in your opinion do postmen get out of it?

Perhaps he thinks that they get a nice warm feeling. That they're helping line the pockets of the Fat Cats.

Or an early finish, perhaps rush around and do a bit of ghost docket. There is evrything wrong with using private vehicles and no amount of flannel changes that fact.

The early finish will go, if and when they get their changes through. Then they will be expected to work to their time, regardless of whether they use their cars or not. They already agreed to that, in the Pay and Modernisation Agreement:
Phase 3 – Transforming the way we work
Both parties are committed to introducing new ways of working throughout the
business by April 2008. In order to achieve this there will be a trial in four offices
per AGM area covering the following:
- New arrangements to cover for one another and develop sensible
options to absorb absences, and increased workload, where time exists
within normal hours
- To ensure all paid work hours are utilised
- To creates a working environment where employees, CWU reps and
managers feel valued and motivated.
This flexibility could also facilitate arrangements for

I don't notice where it says the use of private cars is OK. The use of private cars and private mobile phones by delivery personnel is a cheap way for Royal Mail to exploit the workforce. It creates a false economy within the confines of the business which would have to be accounted for if the same method was used at Royal Mails expense.

It doesn't. But when people DO use their own cars, they finish early. Some are allowed to do that, so they can shift more work. But sooner or later, they will be prevented from finishing early. And if they suddenly stop using their cars, because they can't finish early. RM will class it as unofficial IA.

[dvbuk55]

absolute load of rubbish, as long as you have business insurance your OK and only costs about £30ish..

And Royal Mail pays that do they?

[dvbuk55]

I don't notice where it says the use of private cars is OK. The use of private cars and private mobile phones by delivery personnel is a cheap way for Royal Mail to exploit the workforce. It creates a false economy within the confines of the business which would have to be accounted for if the same method was used at Royal Mails expense.

It doesn't. But when people DO use their own cars, they finish early. Some are allowed to do that, so they can shift more work. But sooner or later, they will be prevented from finishing early. And if they suddenly stop using their cars, because they can't finish early. RM will class it as unofficial IA. [/quote]

If they shift more work because they use their own vehicles it is a saving to RM and unless the use of a private vehicle is part of your contract there is no way that it is IA - and if they'd like to test a case in court I'm sure the CWU would be only too happy to take them on.

[brothermagrew]

I don't notice where it says the use of private cars is OK. The use of private cars and private mobile phones by delivery personnel is a cheap way for Royal Mail to exploit the workforce. It creates a false economy within the confines of the business which would have to be accounted for if the same method was used at Royal Mails expense.

It doesn't. But when people DO use their own cars, they finish early. Some are allowed to do that, so they can shift more work. But sooner or later, they will be prevented from finishing early. And if they suddenly stop using their cars, because they can't finish early. RM will class it as unofficial IA.

If they shift more work because they use their own vehicles it is a saving to RM and unless the use of a private vehicle is part of your contract there is no way that it is IA - and if they'd like to test a case in court I'm sure the CWU would be only too happy to take them on.


Well said brother dvbuk55 and for the record private cars are not official transport, therefore the use of private cars must not be assumed in the construction of delivery duties and will not be. There is no payment to employees for use of private cars. Revisions must not be planned on the basis of the use of private cars. Would therefore imply that private cars on delivery or the use of a private vehicle are not part of any contract.

[BELIAL]

How about the use of private mobile phones to optimize replenishment times?