PRIVATE CARS ON DELIVERY - ADR/ASR MEETINGS WITH DSMs

[Geezer]

Please see attached. You will note a crash involving a postman who was not properly regisetered to use his own car. People should NOT be using their own vehicles. if they do then they MUST ensure they are properly covered. If anything goes wrong RM will disown them and possibly sack them.

TO ALL BRANCH SECs / ADRs SW/SW

Please can you pass the attached documents onto all of your ASRs. They have kindly been distributed by Mick Gledhill, CWU Area Safety ,Bradford & District Amal Branch.

It is vital that they get involved ASAP with checking the registration of PCOD in all units. This dispute calls for all CWU reps to work together and this is a great way to use the powers that ASRs have - IN LAW.




Sorry they are PDF files.

But if anyone can copy and paste them feel free.

[brothermagrew]

Please see attached. You will note a crash involving a postman who was not properly regisetered to use his own car. People should NOT be using their own vehicles. if they do then they MUST ensure they are properly covered. If anything goes wrong RM will disown them and possibly sack them.

TO ALL BRANCH SECs / ADRs SW/SW

Please can you pass the attached documents onto all of your ASRs. They have kindly been distributed by Mick Gledhill, CWU Area Safety ,Bradford & District Amal Branch.

It is vital that they get involved ASAP with checking the registration of PCOD in all units. This dispute calls for all CWU reps to work together and this is a great way to use the powers that ASRs have - IN LAW.

Chris

Chris Webb
Divisional Representative
South Wales / South West


Sorry they are PDF files.

But if anyone can copy and paste them feel free.

A top posting geezer

However, and again it should be borne in mind, that not only the individual concerned was not properly registered but none of the Brentwood DO staff (at the time of the road traffic accident) had been 'authorised' to use their cars and none had been instructed by the DOM to sign the Royal Mail private car user's declaration for authorisation and business use insurance cover. And yet they were allowed out on delivery (managerial blind-eye) at it's worst. Get the mail out at all costs, health and safety on the back-burner with the mentality that nothing can go wrong.

I beg to differ as that day in particular it all went tragically wrong.


Words of Wisdom:
Royal Mail have continually insisted that it has a "zero tolerance" approach to anyone failing to comply with private car use rules. My view is that uncontrolled use and Managers "turning a blind-eye" makes that statement a nonsense.

This latest Brentwood DO case is yet another appalling example of Royal Mail failing to comply with basic health and safety legislation in respect of failure to discharge the duty of care under the Health and Safety At Work Act as well as aiding and abetting Road Traffic Act Offences to be committed.

This latest fatality is yet another good reason why private car use on deliveries needs to be "banned". Initially it should be strictly controlled and then completely banned ASAP. I am writing to urge your attention to this matter and to swiftly ban the use of private cars on delivery, if Royal Mail is serious about improving safety, this course of action has no alternative.

Dave Joyce CWU National Health, Safety & Environment Officer

[solcat]

We got in this morning to be told NO cars to be used by anyone today as directed from those above.
Have a word with the DOM tomorrow(his day off today) about your cicumstances to see if he will OK
anyone to use their cars!

[londonboy]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

[brothermagrew]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

What exactly then in your opinion do postmen get out of it?

[andy2007]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

What exactly then in your opinion do postmen get out of it?

Perhaps he thinks that they get a nice warm feeling. That they're helping line the pockets of the Fat Cats.

[dvbuk55]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

What exactly then in your opinion do postmen get out of it?

Perhaps he thinks that they get a nice warm feeling. That they're helping line the pockets of the Fat Cats.

Or an early finish, perhaps rush around and do a bit of ghost docket. There is evrything wrong with using private vehicles and no amount of flannel changes that fact.

[andy2007]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

What exactly then in your opinion do postmen get out of it?

Perhaps he thinks that they get a nice warm feeling. That they're helping line the pockets of the Fat Cats.

Or an early finish, perhaps rush around and do a bit of ghost docket. There is evrything wrong with using private vehicles and no amount of flannel changes that fact.

The early finish will go, if and when they get their changes through. Then they will be expected to work to their time, regardless of whether they use their cars or not. They already agreed to that, in the Pay and Modernisation Agreement:
Phase 3 – Transforming the way we work
Both parties are committed to introducing new ways of working throughout the
business by April 2008. In order to achieve this there will be a trial in four offices
per AGM area covering the following:
- New arrangements to cover for one another and develop sensible
options to absorb absences, and increased workload, where time exists
within normal hours
- To ensure all paid work hours are utilised
- To creates a working environment where employees, CWU reps and
managers feel valued and motivated.
This flexibility could also facilitate arrangements for

[dvbuk55]

Nothing wrong with using cars as long as it is managed properly .. insurance etc.
Better service, postmen get something out of it.
Union lost the plot on this one.

What exactly then in your opinion do postmen get out of it?

Perhaps he thinks that they get a nice warm feeling. That they're helping line the pockets of the Fat Cats.

Or an early finish, perhaps rush around and do a bit of ghost docket. There is evrything wrong with using private vehicles and no amount of flannel changes that fact.

The early finish will go, if and when they get their changes through. Then they will be expected to work to their time, regardless of whether they use their cars or not. They already agreed to that, in the Pay and Modernisation Agreement:
Phase 3 – Transforming the way we work
Both parties are committed to introducing new ways of working throughout the
business by April 2008. In order to achieve this there will be a trial in four offices
per AGM area covering the following:
- New arrangements to cover for one another and develop sensible
options to absorb absences, and increased workload, where time exists
within normal hours
- To ensure all paid work hours are utilised
- To creates a working environment where employees, CWU reps and
managers feel valued and motivated.
This flexibility could also facilitate arrangements for

I don't notice where it says the use of private cars is OK. The use of private cars and private mobile phones by delivery personnel is a cheap way for Royal Mail to exploit the workforce. It creates a false economy within the confines of the business which would have to be accounted for if the same method was used at Royal Mails expense.

[ade@cambs]

Has anyone else seen this, was put on Facebook today


Hi everyone,
I have received a message from Bob Gibson National Officer of the CWU informing me that a Postman in Woodford Green was using his car on delivery on Saturday morning. He was pulled up by the Police and they have impounded his car and he has been charged for not having the correct insurance. The Postman was informed by the Police that the Royal Mail bond was not worth the paper it was written on. Can you please forward this message to as many CWU members as possible.
Cheers

[the one]

yes our area recieved the same message, so do the town walks stop using their car now, if this is true, everyone should,

[DGP1]

I've just got this message on Facebook, I don't know the veracity of it but I decided to put it up.

Cwu Derbyshire 31 August at 19:40 Reply
Please note that on Saturday morning a postman whilst using his private car on delivery was stopped by the Police charged with not having the correct insurance and his car as been INPOUNDED, the police told him that the Royal Mail bond is NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON.
It is of the utmost IMPORTANCE that ALL DELIVERY STAFF ARE INFORMED OF THIS SERIOUS INCIDENT.

[wardroom]

I say let the r/m lawyers sort that one out.

They cannot use the old trick about a law set in the 1700 or 1800 hundreds now.

[tailfly12]

Well i have to say that i use my car on delivery. Everything is in order tax and insurance i know it should not be done but it takes the weight of my back. There will come a time when the car will go. In 10 years time i will be a cripple, Royal Mail will not give to sh***s about me thats why i take my car.

[Spedley]

Is INPUNDED a bt like IMPOUNDED ?

What a load of rubbish.