Quick question regarding strike ballot...

[DirtyHarry]

Just through talking to colleagues you get to know these things. I wouldn’t say it’s apathy or ignorance if someone has left the CWU by choice.

Perhaps (God forbid) they’re happy in their job and don’t want to strike. Of course everyone knows that if a national strike is called you don’t cross picket lines and therefore are forced to strike against your will and without having voted for it.

On the grounds of fairness, couldn’t the ballot be done by an independent body to include everyone and therefore get a true representation of ALL who would be affected by strike action? That’s all I’m saying!

It's people like you and your colleagues that makes Britain a paradise for dishonest conmen like Crozier. He should reward you and your colleagues with a ring doughnut for your efforts in helping to enrich himself further.

[FellChair]

I still think everyone should have a say in their own livelihoods, CWU or not.

On a slightly different note though…

I work in an office with about 150 walks and we have a fixed break time at 8:20 each morning. There are 15 people who regularly use the canteen and have a break with another 15 who use it maybe 2 or 3 times a week.

Of the people who never have a break I’m sure a fair few will vote yes for a strike. The majority of these people also use their own car, come in early etc etc, you know the list of sins. From what I've read on here this is the same in offices up and down the country.

Isn’t it a massive contradiction to go on strike over working conditions if you can’t even be bothered to do the job properly?

[POSTMAN]

Isn’t it a massive contradiction to go on strike over working conditions if you can’t even be bothered to do the job properly?

And there lies our biggest problems.

[k979aaa]

I still think everyone should have a say in their own livelihoods, CWU or not.

On a slightly different note though…

I work in an office with about 150 walks and we have a fixed break time at 8:20 each morning. There are 15 people who regularly use the canteen and have a break with another 15 who use it maybe 2 or 3 times a week.

Of the people who never have a break I’m sure a fair few will vote yes for a strike. The majority of these people also use their own car, come in early etc etc, you know the list of sins. From what I've read on here this is the same in offices up and down the country.

Isn’t it a massive contradiction to go on strike over working conditions if you can’t even be bothered to do the job properly?

They too disenfranchise themselves and others but too hide behind this and the I'm not in the union banner which some do is a lame and APATHETIC EXCUSE and IGNORANCE IS NO DEFENCE TO THIS FACT!.

[spilie]

sniff, sniff i smell another one , c`mon try and be a bit more original, but wait there is still a couple of big spoons to comment so lets wait and see ;

[FellChair]

sniff, sniff i smell another one , c`mon try and be a bit more original, but wait there is still a couple of big spoons to comment so lets wait and see ;

Gibberish!

[BELIAL]

That's interesting.

So lets say at my office 75% are in the CWU and of those 40% vote yes, 30% vote no and 30% don't bother. A significant majority wouldn't have voted yes but the office would be out on strike.

Hardly seems fair does it?

Please feel free to PM me and we can swap bank details so you can set up a direct debit to pay the £20 a week extra that you are getting as a result of the last IA into my bank account. Don't want to have folks thinking they are hard done by, do we.

[Himaggen]

During the last IA our DO had a full 100% striking workforce, however non-members were told in no uncertain terms that they would not be allowed to cross the picket line. The Management told them too that they may as well not bother coming in for the self-same reason.

This leads me to my question; since Management cannot be relied upon to not change tack, can non CWU members be taken down the disciplinary route for not attending during IA?

If so I think that it's the only way you're going to be able to persuade sign-ups.

When sorting and or prepping the mail, take a look at which of your colleagues are receiving the CWU Voice Mag, that may give you an indication of who is or isn't a member.

[FellChair]

Please feel free to PM me and we can swap bank details so you can set up a direct debit to pay the £20 a week extra that you are getting as a result of the last IA into my bank account. Don't want to have folks thinking they are hard done by, do we,

Classy!!!

Is it common for someone who offers a bit of a different view on things to be called a 'nob' on this board?

FYI I am actually in the Union.

About the £20, in other jobs I've had you get an individual performance review and pay rise accordingly, obviously in RM that's simply not an option due to the CWU. So yes, the CWU did get us the pay rise last time, but their existence restricts other ways to get a pay increase.

[POSTMAN]

Is it common for someone who offers a bit of a different view on things to be called a 'nob' on this board?

Offending remark removed,everyone is welcome on RMC regardless of who they are or their view.

Please remember everyone is welcome on this site. Customers, CWU Officers, Royal Mail Managers, all Royal Mail employees, the General Public, the press,and even MPs, so please do not resort to abuse if people of a different political persuasion or viewpoint to you, post on a thread.

If someone has a different position to you please respect their right to have differing views, and enjoy yourself when picking holes in their position in a constructive way. We would much rather have a long winded well thought out argument, picking out weak points in someone's position, than have a thread full of 1 line insults.

Lets move on.............again.

[andy2007]

I still think everyone should have a say in their own livelihoods, CWU or not.
Should Members of the Public be allowed to vote too?
Should WE get a vote in RMT Ballots?
The Public are directly affected by the results of our Strike Ballots. Some of us are affected if the RMT call a Strike. And non-members of the CWU are affected if the CWU call a Strike. In all three cases, people loose money: Small Businesses in particular are affected by delays in the Post. It costs a fortune to use your car to commute in London, if you can't use Public Transport. Non-members will loose some of their pay, if we Strike.

If you contribute to the Union, like the rest of us. Then you're entitled to have your say. If not. You have no, entitlement to have your say in CWU policy. Which after all, is what a Ballot is, isn't it?
It's the Members opportunity to decide on whether the policy of the Union is to Strike, or not.

On a slightly different note though…

I work in an office with about 150 walks and we have a fixed break time at 8:20 each morning. There are 15 people who regularly use the canteen and have a break with another 15 who use it maybe 2 or 3 times a week.

Of the people who never have a break I’m sure a fair few will vote yes for a strike. The majority of these people also use their own car, come in early etc etc, you know the list of sins. From what I've read on here this is the same in offices up and down the country.

Isn’t it a massive contradiction to go on strike over working conditions if you can’t even be bothered to do the job properly?

[Tman]

POSTMAN EDIT:I've dealt with it,why try and be clever!!

FYI I am actually in the Union.

Good enough, but surely you joined it for representation at pay rounds etc, and that's how RM negotiate, ie through the CWU.
Why would non-members be issued strike ballots when it's the CWU en-bloc who calling for/organising a withdrawal of labour?
Theoretically, a non member could be classed as AWOL for a strike day and be coded. After all, he's got no reason to strike and no back up, has he?

About the £20, in other jobs I've had you get an individual performance review and pay rise accordingly, obviously in RM that's simply not an option due to the CWU.

Not an option due to the size of the work force rather than the CWU, but how are you going to get a bad IPR as a postie? Didn't shut Mrs Bloggs' gate again, or drop too many bands?
Can't imagine any comparably-sized firm offering IPR down to that employee level.

[lekker]

Most people in the country didn't vote for the labour party - but they form the government. In a democracy the majority VOTE counts. So don't whinge about a vote not being fair because not everyone who could vote , did vote.

[andy2007]

Most people in the country didn't vote for the labour party - but they form the government. In a democracy the majority VOTE counts. So don't whinge about a vote not being fair because not everyone who could vote , did vote.

I don't understand. Who's claiming that a vote of not being fair, because not everyone who could vote, did vote?
Those who are ELIGABLE to vote, get a vote. Those who AREN'T ELIGABLE won't have the opportunity to vote. Therefore, the vote is fair. Or are you suggesting that everyone should be able to vote. Including: non-members, Managers, members of the Public, MPs, etc.?
They will all be affected by the outcome, won't they?

[lekker]

Most people in the country didn't vote for the labour party - but they form the government. In a democracy the majority VOTE counts. So don't whinge about a vote not being fair because not everyone who could vote , did vote.

I don't understand. Who's claiming that a vote of not being fair, because not everyone who could vote, did vote?
Those who are ELIGABLE to vote, get a vote. Those who AREN'T ELIGABLE won't have the opportunity to vote. Therefore, the vote is fair. Or are you suggesting that everyone should be able to vote. Including: non-members, Managers, members of the Public, MPs, etc.?
They will all be affected by the outcome, won't they?

It is quite simple really and you must have missed the post by FellChair which i maybe should have quoted. In it he says that if you add together those who vote "no" and those who don't bother to vote and they outnumber those who voted "yes" then it is unfair that an office is asked to strike. My post merely pointed out the flaw in this line of thinking.

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