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Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
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NWpostie
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
I hate Gossip Queens, I know who they are, I have to guard my words when they are around, they have nothing better to do than get me and others in trouble, I fecking hate them, they are poisoning the workplace
One day I will get my revenge the one day they really need my help or support, I will take great pleasure in fcuking them off to high port.
One day I will get my revenge the one day they really need my help or support, I will take great pleasure in fcuking them off to high port.
Six of Nine loves Seven of Nine, together in Electric Dreams.
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brothermagrew
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
Harsh most definately, again though here we see the consequences of one instance of momentory madness by an employee with a 25 year unblemished record and the consequences of his actions in leaving his van unlocked unattended and engine running even for a short time space.
The employee concerned must have signed the integrity of mail form at his DO as each employee has to sign it on a six monthly basis. As we all should know signing the form in reality means that we have read the rules about integrity of mail and understood what those rules are.
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... il#p149736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I do wish him every success at his appeal hearing, but in the current industrial climate who knows! And again if he is unsuccessful at appeal and goes to Industrial Employment Tribunal for unfair dismissal, the fact remains did the employer act within the band of reasonable responses. The tribunal may accept that the postie was indeed guilty of 'gross misconduct' but dismissal did not necessarily require to follow as each case has to be assessed on its own merits.
The tribunal will have to determine whether Royal Mail had acted reasonably in treating the posties conduct as a sufficient reaon for dismissal. whether the postie had contributed to his own dismissal and what, in the event that it was determined that he had been unfairly dismissed, was the appropriate remedy.
All of course hypothetical conjecture until outcome of his appeal.
Again if you are asked to sign anything by RM managers make sure you thoroughly read and understand the contents of what you are signing.
On another matter have read that a postie axed over his absence record after he hurt himself taking a shortcut on his round won £5,000 for being unfairly sacked. Jamie McSorley needed 11 stitches on a leg injury after he jumped over a 2ft wall. His 3 weeks off triggered Royal Mail's absence management policy and he was dismissed as he'd had prior sick days. But a tribunal ruled he'd been sacked unfairly because absences caused by injuries at work were normally discounted. Mr McSorley of Hamilton, got £5,067 but was not reinstated. - Source: Page 15 Scottish Sun.
The employee concerned must have signed the integrity of mail form at his DO as each employee has to sign it on a six monthly basis. As we all should know signing the form in reality means that we have read the rules about integrity of mail and understood what those rules are.
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... il#p149736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I do wish him every success at his appeal hearing, but in the current industrial climate who knows! And again if he is unsuccessful at appeal and goes to Industrial Employment Tribunal for unfair dismissal, the fact remains did the employer act within the band of reasonable responses. The tribunal may accept that the postie was indeed guilty of 'gross misconduct' but dismissal did not necessarily require to follow as each case has to be assessed on its own merits.
The tribunal will have to determine whether Royal Mail had acted reasonably in treating the posties conduct as a sufficient reaon for dismissal. whether the postie had contributed to his own dismissal and what, in the event that it was determined that he had been unfairly dismissed, was the appropriate remedy.
All of course hypothetical conjecture until outcome of his appeal.
Again if you are asked to sign anything by RM managers make sure you thoroughly read and understand the contents of what you are signing.
On another matter have read that a postie axed over his absence record after he hurt himself taking a shortcut on his round won £5,000 for being unfairly sacked. Jamie McSorley needed 11 stitches on a leg injury after he jumped over a 2ft wall. His 3 weeks off triggered Royal Mail's absence management policy and he was dismissed as he'd had prior sick days. But a tribunal ruled he'd been sacked unfairly because absences caused by injuries at work were normally discounted. Mr McSorley of Hamilton, got £5,067 but was not reinstated. - Source: Page 15 Scottish Sun.
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Ahebban
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
screwing whatever is closest at the timePOSTMAN wrote:wtf are the IB doing in a place like that,i mean a fecking farm road!!!
Ahebban - anglo-saxon in origin - meaning 'Wages War'
What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight, what counts is the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight, what counts is the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
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mailsort6
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
Are there any cases were posties have had their vans stolen and have kept their jobs because this posties van was not stolen, he should have had a written warning and if he does it again then dismissal. If he can find any cases regarding this it might help him at an employment tribunal. (is union rep should know this information in order to help his case).
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POSTMAN
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
Yes there was,and we were all suprised at the outcome,not 100% but i think he got his job back after an appeal.mailsort6 wrote:Are there any cases were posties have had their vans stolen and have kept their jobs because this posties van was not stolen, he should have had a written warning and if he does it again then dismissal. If he can find any cases regarding this it might help him at an employment tribunal. (is union rep should know this information in order to help his case).
Will have a look for the story.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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POSTMAN
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Van theft postie's reinstated
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 18&t=14210" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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brothermagrew
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
The POSTMAN is on the ball 
"Today’s workplace has become heartless and soulless. Employees are seen as units of labour, automatons, functionaries, objects for achieving designated tasks, and as costs to be minimised."
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the one
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Re: Van theft postie's reinstated
good case of victimisation after our postman got this story out of the bag, ideal for the employment tribunal case,POSTMAN wrote:http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 18&t=14210
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Robocop
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
If anyone needs a case study to help this guy then send me a pm-this has happened in my office,the van was stolen,recovered and the postman got off with a warning.mailsort6 wrote:Are there any cases were posties have had their vans stolen and have kept their jobs because this posties van was not stolen, he should have had a written warning and if he does it again then dismissal. If he can find any cases regarding this it might help him at an employment tribunal. (is union rep should know this information in order to help his case).
A bit inconsistent to sack someone else for a lesser "offence".
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Robocop
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
Doh ! I've just read Postman's link. I think in the case in my office the guy who took the van just wanted to get home!
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kay_thebigbird
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
They have to show that they are consistent in the way they treat there employee's,to sack one postie & then just give another postie a warning for a worse offence, it will show the Tribunal that they are not consistent.Tribunal's are very strict on fairness & inconsistency's, I think this postie has a strong case & I am pretty sure the cwu will take it on.But unfortunately he has to go through all this political crap & stress for the next ex amount of months,I know exactly how he will feel, best of luck to him, I mean we all make mistake's. 
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dvbuk55
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Re: Sthport postman sacked after 25 years for leaving van unlock
We have had cases where the man has been disciplined but not sacked and cases where they have been sacked, one case where the vehicle was "taken" without the keys apparently BUT no evidence to support that supposition - it depends on whether you are supported or not supported. It is classed as gross misconduct and is therefore instant dismissal subject to investigation, which doesn't take long in these cases.kay_thebigbird wrote:They have to show that they are consistent in the way they treat there employee's,to sack one postie & then just give another postie a warning for a worse offence, it will show the Tribunal that they are not consistent.Tribunal's are very strict on fairness & inconsistency's, I think this postie has a strong case & I am pretty sure the cwu will take it on.But unfortunately he has to go through all this political crap & stress for the next ex amount of months,I know exactly how he will feel, best of luck to him, I mean we all make mistake's.