sick excuse?

[shadow]

Its people like you who attempt to play the system that get genuine people the sack, as RM have no option to treat all absences as genuine. I think the next major step, possibly as part of the rturn to work agreement will be to stop paying sick pay and the people like you will soon be screaming about loss of wages.

Frankly this post sickens me, yes I am a Manager and staff taking the piss just makes me angry.

When I first joined RM, we had the right of appeal if a Stage 1 or Stage 2 was issued unfairly. That right of appeal at the first two stages was lost, if I remember correctly, as part of the small print of one of the pay deals, probably The Way Forward agreement ?

When I see a post from one of the self-confessed 'urine-extractors', it's not hard to see why RM wanted to sweep away our right of appeal. Throw in a diktat to all frontline managers to issue Stage warnings regardless of individual circumstances, and it means a serial piss-taker's first and only opportunity to appeal is when it gets to an RTU, and then the WHOLE of their past absenteeism is revealed. When looking at their entire record, a clear pattern emerges and the RTU gets issued.

Unfortunately, the reason RM adopted this strategy is precisely BECAUSE of the minority of people like the original poster, who were / are treating paid sick leave like a form of extra holiday 'entitlement'. In order to try to catch them out, any of the rest of us who happen to get a genuine bad run of luck with our health can now find ourselves fast-tracked to Stage 3 without even the sniff of an appeal early on in the process

We had a guy re-instated this year after his appeal came through, but he endured 6 months without pay and went through hell, where in the past, the Stage 1 that was issued unfairly would have been overturned much much earlier in the process and he would never have been sacked.

THAT is why I get so angry at the few idiots who treat sick leave as 'extra holiday'

Did this guy get anything else on top of being reinstated i.e backdated wages and compo.

[norbert]

Silly boy, it would be very easy to wish you ill health in the hope that you get "found out". Instead of that though your bragging of ill gotten gains may be your downfall. In your past posts you've stated that you're a postie in Nottingham and:

sickness help - 29th April 2009
my first day of sickness was monday just gone,im not intending to return till tuesday(bank holiday monday)if i ring up the manager on saturday saying im fit for work now! but obvisouly its sunday the followed by bank holiday monday,how many days will that count as being of sick?

I'm afraid it would be very easy to track you down following your posts (I know I could do it). Let's hope anyone who might be interested in such things isn't reading (which they probably are).

You obviously seem to think you have some IT or private detective talents (Or both)

Why are you sticking letters through letter boxes for a living?

Perhaps you are a geek with no friends who sits in his bedroom all night?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say about people "sticking letters through letter boxes for a living". I have a bit more respect for the people who do the real work in RM. I am not a postie I work in HR and it would only require a few simple queries of the HR system to identify the OP. I'm not that bothered to do such a thing but there are plenty of people with the knowledge and inclination who might be reading this site.

The OP has stated in previous posts that he has worked here for about 10 years, is based in Nottingham and started a period of sickness on 27th of April which lasted approx a week. That's probably enough to find him or narrow it down to 2 or 3 people at most. Given his claims (if true) it would probably be easy to determine who he is.

I'd advise everyone to be careful with how much information they reveal on here if they are going to make silly claims like that.

there was someone who got a dismissal letter after bragging about flagging his garden on Facebook - allegedly - Numpty Bumpty was right to give the gypsies warning .

[NWpostie]

Its people like you who attempt to play the system that get genuine people the sack, as RM have no option to treat all absences as genuine. I think the next major step, possibly as part of the rturn to work agreement will be to stop paying sick pay and the people like you will soon be screaming about loss of wages.

Frankly this post sickens me, yes I am a Manager and staff taking the piss just makes me angry.

When I first joined RM, we had the right of appeal if a Stage 1 or Stage 2 was issued unfairly. That right of appeal at the first two stages was lost, if I remember correctly, as part of the small print of one of the pay deals, probably The Way Forward agreement ?

When I see a post from one of the self-confessed 'urine-extractors', it's not hard to see why RM wanted to sweep away our right of appeal. Throw in a diktat to all frontline managers to issue Stage warnings regardless of individual circumstances, and it means a serial piss-taker's first and only opportunity to appeal is when it gets to an RTU, and then the WHOLE of their past absenteeism is revealed. When looking at their entire record, a clear pattern emerges and the RTU gets issued.

Unfortunately, the reason RM adopted this strategy is precisely BECAUSE of the minority of people like the original poster, who were / are treating paid sick leave like a form of extra holiday 'entitlement'. In order to try to catch them out, any of the rest of us who happen to get a genuine bad run of luck with our health can now find ourselves fast-tracked to Stage 3 without even the sniff of an appeal early on in the process

We had a guy re-instated this year after his appeal came through, but he endured 6 months without pay and went through hell, where in the past, the Stage 1 that was issued unfairly would have been overturned much much earlier in the process and he would never have been sacked.

THAT is why I get so angry at the few idiots who treat sick leave as 'extra holiday'

re my highlight, this part annoys me, I was off sick first time for 5 years, only 1 week off, I was still issued a stage 1 even tho the rule book said, after 14 days or 4 absences, I tried to argue the toss, but since there was no appeal, the Stage 1 stuck and that pisses me off big time.

If it ever goes to stage 3 thats when I could appeal, but that is also the part where risk being sacked as well, its wrong the appeals process should be from the start.

[NWpostie]

AOD's are discounted unless the accident was caused by obviously self fault accidents such as climbing a gate, fence & other total disregard of personal safety.

As for genuine illness, we as Managers are not permitted to give a personal opinion on someone's "illness", yes we have a real idea who has got pissed, the night before or who has been refused annual leave for one reason or another. As I have said all absences are deemed to be genuine and as no business could continually allow any members of staff ( Managers or front line) to take repeated sick leave with pay with no repercussions. The Thread starter is not alone un fortunately and I have no time for anyone taking the piss. I have been on a stage warning at least three times in my employment and all three times this followed a p[eriod in hospital, the latest a serious injury. I accepted it just as I accept I will continually issue warnings to staff that are unable to attend work for genuine reasons, because too many others play the system until such time they slip up with a " genuine" illness.

I recall interviewing one member of staff who told me in front of his union rep ( at Stage 3) "I really was ill the last time I was off,I may have had the odd skive previously but I was genuine this time" I could see the jaw drop on the CWU rep and yes I sacked him.

Not defending the Guy, One thing I learned in my years in RM, is NEVER be forthcoming with information and never tell the truth, let them find out, you don't get prizes for telling the truth or the full story in RM, you get sacked for it.

Least said, soonest mended.

[lekker]

AOD's are discounted unless the accident was caused by obviously self fault accidents such as climbing a gate, fence & other total disregard of personal safety.

As for genuine illness, we as Managers are not permitted to give a personal opinion on someone's "illness", yes we have a real idea who has got pissed, the night before or who has been refused annual leave for one reason or another. As I have said all absences are deemed to be genuine and as no business could continually allow any members of staff ( Managers or front line) to take repeated sick leave with pay with no repercussions. The Thread starter is not alone un fortunately and I have no time for anyone taking the piss. I have been on a stage warning at least three times in my employment and all three times this followed a p[eriod in hospital, the latest a serious injury. I accepted it just as I accept I will continually issue warnings to staff that are unable to attend work for genuine reasons, because too many others play the system until such time they slip up with a " genuine" illness.

I recall interviewing one member of staff who told me in front of his union rep ( at Stage 3) "I really was ill the last time I was off,I may have had the odd skive previously but I was genuine this time" I could see the jaw drop on the CWU rep and yes I sacked him.

Not defending the Guy, One thing I learned in my years in RM, is NEVER be forthcoming with information and never tell the truth, let them find out, you don't get prizes for telling the truth or the full story in RM, you get sacked for it.

Least said, soonest mended.

REMEMBER :- NAME, RANK AND SERIAL NUMBER ONLY we are covered by the geneva convention. :cfo

[POSTMAN]

Following on to the other question on agreements- frankly I do not understand half of the "Pay and Modernisation Agreement", I understand we have to fill work hours up and flexibility but the rest can be interperated how you want depending on your personal views, so if anyone can explain it to me in laymans terms do so. My staff and other Managers feel the same.

What is YOUR interpretation?

[POSTMAN]

Regarding sick stage warnings,there is not a manager in the business that i could possibly have a 'good chat' with about it.

[norbert]

Regarding sick stage warnings,there is not a manager in the business that i could possibly have a 'good chat' with about it.

all that - " I've made my decision " nonsense - why pretend ? - people haven't fallen out of a tree

[DOM]

ill cut the crap i use the sick time as holidays(truth)on no stage at the moment been working for rm 10 years through them years iv gave so many resons for being off sick im running out,only looking for 7 days this time round so no sick note required,do any of you know some excuses i can use,not swine flu just incase i get it after?some kind of illness pref lasting 7 days

You dont feel guilty that whilst your sat at home with your feet up, your colleagues may be absorbing your work at nil cost or even worse you may have a colleague who is seriously ill at home, who would love to be fit enough to do anything???

There are plenty of good people who would love to have the job that you've got......look after it or one day you're going to lose it.

[thebigone]

ill cut the crap i use the sick time as holidays(truth)on no stage at the moment been working for rm 10 years through them years iv gave so many resons for being off sick im running out,only looking for 7 days this time round so no sick note required,do any of you know some excuses i can use,not swine flu just incase i get it after?some kind of illness pref lasting 7 days

Lazyitis ??

Bloke in our office thought he was smart, like you. Got a genuine bout of ill-health after milking 'the rules' for years, ended up getting a Stage 3 cos the genuine ones happened close together over a period of less than a year. When they looked at his TOTAL absence back-catalogue, they dismissed him at his RTU.

I still see him around town every now and then, invariably the worse for drink and looking like a tramp. Learn the lesson

i never said was trying to be smart just saying how it is(no bull crap) at least 80 percent of our office use like holidays

[TrueBlueTerrier]

ill cut the crap i use the sick time as holidays(truth)on no stage at the moment been working for rm 10 years through them years iv gave so many resons for being off sick im running out,only looking for 7 days this time round so no sick note required,do any of you know some excuses i can use,not swine flu just incase i get it after?some kind of illness pref lasting 7 days

Lazyitis ??

Bloke in our office thought he was smart, like you. Got a genuine bout of ill-health after milking 'the rules' for years, ended up getting a Stage 3 cos the genuine ones happened close together over a period of less than a year. When they looked at his TOTAL absence back-catalogue, they dismissed him at his RTU.

I still see him around town every now and then, invariably the worse for drink and looking like a tramp. Learn the lesson

i never said was trying to be smart just saying how it is(no bull crap) at least 80 percent of our office use like holidays

hola - Ésta es una práctica española que quiero ver la parte posterior de

This is one Spanish practice I want to see the back of - sorry but it is.

[POSTMAN]

ill cut the crap i use the sick time as holidays(truth)on no stage at the moment been working for rm 10 years through them years iv gave so many resons for being off sick im running out,only looking for 7 days this time round so no sick note required,do any of you know some excuses i can use,not swine flu just incase i get it after?some kind of illness pref lasting 7 days

You dont feel guilty that whilst your sat at home with your feet up, your colleagues may be absorbing your work at nil cost or even worse you may have a colleague who is seriously ill at home, who would love to be fit enough to do anything???

There are plenty of good people who would love to have the job that you've got......look after it or one day you're going to lose it.

Thanks.

[thebigone]

ill cut the crap i use the sick time as holidays(truth)on no stage at the moment been working for rm 10 years through them years iv gave so many resons for being off sick im running out,only looking for 7 days this time round so no sick note required,do any of you know some excuses i can use,not swine flu just incase i get it after?some kind of illness pref lasting 7 days

You dont feel guilty that whilst your sat at home with your feet up, your colleagues may be absorbing your work at nil cost or even worse you may have a colleague who is seriously ill at home, who would love to be fit enough to do anything???

There are plenty of good people who would love to have the job that you've got......look after it or one day you're going to lose it.

Thanks.

not being funny or owt lads but my dad died 3 years ago i was very close to him and it hit me like a tone of bricks i had 21 days off sick (stress) i returned to work to get a stage 1,so some of u get off ur high horse! R.I.P.

[POSTMAN]

ill cut the crap i use the sick time as holidays(truth)on no stage at the moment been working for rm 10 years through them years iv gave so many resons for being off sick im running out,only looking for 7 days this time round so no sick note required,do any of you know some excuses i can use,not swine flu just incase i get it after?some kind of illness pref lasting 7 days

You dont feel guilty that whilst your sat at home with your feet up, your colleagues may be absorbing your work at nil cost or even worse you may have a colleague who is seriously ill at home, who would love to be fit enough to do anything???

There are plenty of good people who would love to have the job that you've got......look after it or one day you're going to lose it.

Thanks.

not being funny or owt lads but my dad died 3 years ago i was very close to him and it hit me like a tone of bricks i had 21 days off sick (stress) i returned to work to get a stage 1,so some of u get off ur high horse! R.I.P.

And this is what most of us argue about,genuine ones,there is no way should you of recieved a stage warning for that.

Before i joined RM i had my mum and brother die within 2 weeks of each other,yes i had time off of course,i thought at the time that i was working for the worst employer in the world but there was no come back on my time off.

Now i work for RM,nuff said.

[lekker]

Reading these postings reinforces the belief that I've had for years that many of our offices are staffed with postmen and managers who should really be working as doctors - given their professional expertise in all illnesses. Next time i'm ill i won't bother trying to get an appointment - I'll just nip into the manager's office and pick up a diagnosis, a prescription and a stage warning