maybe their not great but take them away and what have we gotupmyroad wrote:Not questioning the strike and what it is all for postman. My beef is with the fact that the union hasn't got it's own house in order. and the main reason we are in so much sh*t now is because of this usless unionPOSTMAN wrote:Now,do you still want to question the strikes?
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STRIKE STRIKE and more STRIKES ?
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jcjd
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POSTMAN
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upmyroad sorry i deleted my comment and put the 2 links in,you're quick on the draw there.
The problem that has been happening is in part HQ's fault,but more so branches have to take a bigger blame.
Scot no 2 branch led the way,the min they got wind of EA they got their ballots rolling,and they've been striking much longer than London.
The min London got wind of EA they balloted.
London as a division took the stance that any EA anywhere in the DIV they would ballot,which is what they've done.
Other branches have just rolled over,EA has been around for a long time and many have done FA about it till now.
Regarding HQ,the question they have to answer is,why have they let it go on for so long.
The problem that has been happening is in part HQ's fault,but more so branches have to take a bigger blame.
Scot no 2 branch led the way,the min they got wind of EA they got their ballots rolling,and they've been striking much longer than London.
The min London got wind of EA they balloted.
London as a division took the stance that any EA anywhere in the DIV they would ballot,which is what they've done.
Other branches have just rolled over,EA has been around for a long time and many have done FA about it till now.
Regarding HQ,the question they have to answer is,why have they let it go on for so long.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Night Tonic
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The CWU want:-Our members rewarded a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s wage.
Er....run that one past me again.
Er....run that one past me again.
Don't believe everything you're told in the rest room
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spilie
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boring boring boringNight Tonic wrote:The CWU want:-Our members rewarded a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s wage.
Er....run that one past me again.
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norbert
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yeah ! - they are all lazy , as little as possible for as much as possible , and where does all this tar everyone with the same brush ( there are professional skivvers and old soldiers granted ) playground stuff usually emanate from ?spilie wrote:boring boring boringNight Tonic wrote:The CWU want:-Our members rewarded a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s wage.
Er....run that one past me again.
Also if people adopt the - screw them for every penny and I won't do a second over my time - why ?
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upmyroad
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Just imagine what we could achive if the union did get its act together though postman. If we had a union that spent some of the money we pay them and employed professionals to do the bargaining. Just think what we could achive if they really did get their finger out and started doing what we the members all pay for. The members us, we desirve better from them than what we now get.POSTMAN wrote:upmyroad sorry i deleted my comment and put the 2 links in,you're quick on the draw there.![]()
The problem that has been happening is in part HQ's fault,but more so branches have to take a bigger blame.
Scot no 2 branch led the way,the min they got wind of EA they got their ballots rolling,and they've been striking much longer than London.
The min London got wind of EA they balloted.
London as a division took the stance that any EA anywhere in the DIV they would ballot,which is what they've done.
Other branches have just rolled over,EA has been around for a long time and many have done FA about it till now.
Regarding HQ,the question they have to answer is,why have they let it go on for so long.
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norbert
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stop paying the Labour Party and employ full time officials , it would stop vindictive repercussions on reps as whether a manager liked it or not , it's the union he's a problem with - well tough ! - I'm told the RMT has regional organizers .upmyroad wrote:Just imagine what we could achive if the union did get its act together though postman. If we had a union that spent some of the money we pay them and employed professionals to do the bargaining. Just think what we could achive if they really did get their finger out and started doing what we the members all pay for. The members us, we desirve better from them than what we now get.POSTMAN wrote:upmyroad sorry i deleted my comment and put the 2 links in,you're quick on the draw there.![]()
The problem that has been happening is in part HQ's fault,but more so branches have to take a bigger blame.
Scot no 2 branch led the way,the min they got wind of EA they got their ballots rolling,and they've been striking much longer than London.
The min London got wind of EA they balloted.
London as a division took the stance that any EA anywhere in the DIV they would ballot,which is what they've done.
Other branches have just rolled over,EA has been around for a long time and many have done FA about it till now.
Regarding HQ,the question they have to answer is,why have they let it go on for so long.
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upmyroad
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Agree 100%.norbert wrote:stop paying the Labour Party and employ full time officials , it would stop vindictive repercussions on reps as whether a manager liked it or not , it's the union he's a problem with - well tough ! - I'm told the RMT has regional organizers .upmyroad wrote:Just imagine what we could achive if the union did get its act together though postman. If we had a union that spent some of the money we pay them and employed professionals to do the bargaining. Just think what we could achive if they really did get their finger out and started doing what we the members all pay for. The members us, we desirve better from them than what we now get.POSTMAN wrote:upmyroad sorry i deleted my comment and put the 2 links in,you're quick on the draw there.![]()
The problem that has been happening is in part HQ's fault,but more so branches have to take a bigger blame.
Scot no 2 branch led the way,the min they got wind of EA they got their ballots rolling,and they've been striking much longer than London.
The min London got wind of EA they balloted.
London as a division took the stance that any EA anywhere in the DIV they would ballot,which is what they've done.
Other branches have just rolled over,EA has been around for a long time and many have done FA about it till now.
Regarding HQ,the question they have to answer is,why have they let it go on for so long.
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Martin Walsh
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Up the road, believe me if we have professionals doing our negotations then thay would not make the union any better. In fact in my belief it would make us weaker as these proffesionals would no longer be accountable to the membership as they will have contracts of employment which will mean they dont face an election of the membership.
Every fighting union of which the CWU , RMT and the Fire Brigades union are the 3 main ones , have one thing in common those who are elected as officers have all done the job of the members which they negotiate for and understand the job and the expectation.
Now you moan about the CWU a lot but lets examine our selves and our record over the last few years.
This union defeated privitisiation 3 times including when the tories tried it , no other union has done it once. It has defeated teamworking , it has defeated joint ventures.
The CWU have improved basic pay in a massive way doubling wages from 1998 , it has introudced the 5 day week an ambition for over 60 years .
Plus in the last few years achieved the profesional drivers agreement which is the envy of the trade union movement. It agreed a process for dealing with surplus of staff MTSF which has meant no complusory redundancies , and protection of allowances.
It had the 51st rating for London weighting amongst compaines in 2000 and now is the second behind the Met Police.
In 2007 we had 8 days action which stopped Royal Mail introducing their plans to make a martini workforce where they would do anything at anytime in any place.
Remember they wanted people to work two hours before or after your duty on a daily basis , drive a vehicle providing its legal regardless of what your duty is , lifting the cap on door to door without any remuneration , longer saturdays , later starts and monthly pay , new harsher conduct and attendance procdures and revisions introduced without negotations ,cease early shift allowances , remove 2nd class from less efficient , cease time bonus and cut PBS bonus.
We stopped all of that and whilst the agreement we struck was not ideal it was a damm sight less then Royal Mail wanted and thats why they are attacking us like never before now. Whatsmore we are hitting back and still fighting.
Look the CWU is the strongest union in the country. It takes the most action . This is not in doubt.
Up the road you seem frustrated that we have not balloted nationally yet and i think we all share that frustration. But first and foremost London and Scotland and others held the CWU postion on no savings , and in london we had a policy that if they took executive action in one office in London we would ballot the whole of London.
We kept our word and produced a 91% yes vote which was a great result. We took action becuase we have to as Royal Mail are introducing more revisons every week without agreement we now have over 50 offices where revisons have been introduced with another 30 statements of intent. We have seen people moved off their walks to create outdoor absorbtion. We have had indviduals taken off pay for simply not being able to complete , we also have mail centres where our work is being diverted not only on strike days but every day of the week. We have drivers taken off their collections to do delivery work , we have mail centre staff being moved to deliveries. In addition today we have Postman and women removed from their duties in SW1 and told to go to Putney to deliver some miles away.
The attacks keep coming at us , and the bullying by management is still continuing.
Faced with these attacks how can we take a breather and wait for the National Ballot. There is no chance of that happening especially in the offices which are being attacked. If we did then the chances are we would all be unofficial within days due to offices being attacked.
So whilst it is your right to critcise as you pay your dues , i dont think you see the bigger picture this is not a fight of our choosing but its a fight which we cant duck.
This Friday when the strike action in London takes place we have more people out across the UK then when we had the day of action on the 17th July including the National Distrubition centre which will have a big impact on the whole network as almost all work goes through there
Remember Royal Mail are doing everything they can to cause an unofficial dispute because they cannot afford to let the dispute drag on into September as that becomes our time when they become under more pressure.
We will win this dispute but as in most disputes there are lots of twists and turns and plenty of high and lows but we have never faced a battle in which we needed to win as much as this fight otherwise we might as well put the white flag up on every cwu office in the country.
Every fighting union of which the CWU , RMT and the Fire Brigades union are the 3 main ones , have one thing in common those who are elected as officers have all done the job of the members which they negotiate for and understand the job and the expectation.
Now you moan about the CWU a lot but lets examine our selves and our record over the last few years.
This union defeated privitisiation 3 times including when the tories tried it , no other union has done it once. It has defeated teamworking , it has defeated joint ventures.
The CWU have improved basic pay in a massive way doubling wages from 1998 , it has introudced the 5 day week an ambition for over 60 years .
Plus in the last few years achieved the profesional drivers agreement which is the envy of the trade union movement. It agreed a process for dealing with surplus of staff MTSF which has meant no complusory redundancies , and protection of allowances.
It had the 51st rating for London weighting amongst compaines in 2000 and now is the second behind the Met Police.
In 2007 we had 8 days action which stopped Royal Mail introducing their plans to make a martini workforce where they would do anything at anytime in any place.
Remember they wanted people to work two hours before or after your duty on a daily basis , drive a vehicle providing its legal regardless of what your duty is , lifting the cap on door to door without any remuneration , longer saturdays , later starts and monthly pay , new harsher conduct and attendance procdures and revisions introduced without negotations ,cease early shift allowances , remove 2nd class from less efficient , cease time bonus and cut PBS bonus.
We stopped all of that and whilst the agreement we struck was not ideal it was a damm sight less then Royal Mail wanted and thats why they are attacking us like never before now. Whatsmore we are hitting back and still fighting.
Look the CWU is the strongest union in the country. It takes the most action . This is not in doubt.
Up the road you seem frustrated that we have not balloted nationally yet and i think we all share that frustration. But first and foremost London and Scotland and others held the CWU postion on no savings , and in london we had a policy that if they took executive action in one office in London we would ballot the whole of London.
We kept our word and produced a 91% yes vote which was a great result. We took action becuase we have to as Royal Mail are introducing more revisons every week without agreement we now have over 50 offices where revisons have been introduced with another 30 statements of intent. We have seen people moved off their walks to create outdoor absorbtion. We have had indviduals taken off pay for simply not being able to complete , we also have mail centres where our work is being diverted not only on strike days but every day of the week. We have drivers taken off their collections to do delivery work , we have mail centre staff being moved to deliveries. In addition today we have Postman and women removed from their duties in SW1 and told to go to Putney to deliver some miles away.
The attacks keep coming at us , and the bullying by management is still continuing.
Faced with these attacks how can we take a breather and wait for the National Ballot. There is no chance of that happening especially in the offices which are being attacked. If we did then the chances are we would all be unofficial within days due to offices being attacked.
So whilst it is your right to critcise as you pay your dues , i dont think you see the bigger picture this is not a fight of our choosing but its a fight which we cant duck.
This Friday when the strike action in London takes place we have more people out across the UK then when we had the day of action on the 17th July including the National Distrubition centre which will have a big impact on the whole network as almost all work goes through there
Remember Royal Mail are doing everything they can to cause an unofficial dispute because they cannot afford to let the dispute drag on into September as that becomes our time when they become under more pressure.
We will win this dispute but as in most disputes there are lots of twists and turns and plenty of high and lows but we have never faced a battle in which we needed to win as much as this fight otherwise we might as well put the white flag up on every cwu office in the country.
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mr deeds
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there bullying all of us nationwide....i do feel for all of you that are already out...and all i can say is that i'm only waiting for billy and dave to pull there fingers out and back you lads up...probably still get some of the d*ickheads going in though like last time and there the first f*uckers to whinge when asked to flex
just waiting sometime to join you on the line
just waiting sometime to join you on the line
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machineman
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guys think yourself lucky you have a say we are currently going through a revision ( mail centre essex if thats a clue ) our union reps refuse to talk to managment and we know they will bring in the cuts by E/A byt also our reps dont talk to us we have not been balloted on strike action but then again how can you vote when you dont know the proposals!! were not sheep ! maybe a bit of communication ( funny thats in the title of our union ) would help
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machineman
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DingoI can see where your comming from but for the rank and file memeber's like me who are not reps and who get told nothing how the hell or we meant to know whats going on !! there is nothing on the CWU web page the last day of action barely made the news and as far as we can see we lost 8 days pay ( in my case 16 cos the mrs is a blue shirt aswell ) for what !!!!!
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k979aaa
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Join the club mate but i am told news will be forthcoming soon!.machineman wrote:DingoI can see where your comming from but for the rank and file memeber's like me who are not reps and who get told nothing how the hell or we meant to know whats going on !! there is nothing on the CWU web page the last day of action barely made the news and as far as we can see we lost 8 days pay ( in my case 16 cos the mrs is a blue shirt aswell ) for what !!!!!
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machineman
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sorry back again,
I do know this action is hitting you delivery people a lot more than us who work indoors we have never had job and knock and do a full 8 hour shift BUT they are now hitting us and cutting corners for more savings and also changing sick and attendence etc however itssy bittsy IA has no effect but there again would a full blown strike have any effect we all know RM want to kill the union !! thats not rocket science why do you think HQ are hanging back yes we are the only industry that gets paid meal relief but also peeps be fair we are well paid for what we do !! i average 24K with a touch of overtime i think you will find most of the emergency services dont get that !!
I do know this action is hitting you delivery people a lot more than us who work indoors we have never had job and knock and do a full 8 hour shift BUT they are now hitting us and cutting corners for more savings and also changing sick and attendence etc however itssy bittsy IA has no effect but there again would a full blown strike have any effect we all know RM want to kill the union !! thats not rocket science why do you think HQ are hanging back yes we are the only industry that gets paid meal relief but also peeps be fair we are well paid for what we do !! i average 24K with a touch of overtime i think you will find most of the emergency services dont get that !!
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machineman
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Dingo'
whats happening this friday ??
whats happening this friday ??