Everyone Should Read This:Phase 3

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 24 Jul 2009, 19:54

I don't have any problem either for a fair days work for a fair days pay but some only turn up two days of the week and demand the earth!. :cfo and his bonus is determined on the amount of postal workers he sacks!.

Post by **Geezer** » 24 Jul 2009, 20:24

Please find attached and below the latest advice from CWU HQ with regards to absorption. This is now a massive issue in DOs and the attached should be used in all units.

Dear All

Please find attached some documents that we have pulled together to
hopefully assist representatives when having to deal with Absorption.
The Delivery Offices Phase 3 doc is the document that was agreed
nationally to deal with phase 3 and this should be used. If managers
choose to ignore this then we should still register disagreement over
the misapplication of Pay and Mod and in particular the annex covering
Phase 3. Some of the documents are actual Royal Mail docs used to brief
our members about flexibility etc which contradict what they are saying
now. There is also a letter that members can give to managers.

Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary - Outdoor

Absorption Advice.zip

Post by **POSTMAN** » 24 Jul 2009, 20:37

Changing this to a Global Announcement seeing as we're having so much fun with Phase 3.
Many,many thanks to Geezer.

Spedley · Post by **Spedley** » 24 Jul 2009, 20:58

I believe it is called "unlawfull deduction of wages" and unless there is something in our contract which says they can stop paying us, they can't?
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/uk ... -pb1-l1g13

It is a very interesting document and it seems they have no intention of sacking people (which they probably could do legall ) but just quietly not paying them (which would be agaist the law).

On the other side of the fence, if RM are paying you then you should really do what work they tell you to do (unless you can't for a good reason). I've been asked to take deliveries out only to cycle there and back with no time to deliver anything - a waste of time but they did pay me for that time.

EDIT: after reading it mor fully, if you sign that piece of paper then they can lawfully deduct from your wages.

Post by **UNION IVOR** » 24 Jul 2009, 23:51

Spedley wrote:I believe it is called "unlawfull deduction of wages" and unless there is something in our contract which says they can stop paying us, they can't?
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/uk ... -pb1-l1g13

It is a very interesting document and it seems they have no intention of sacking people (which they probably could do legall ) but just quietly not paying them (which would be agaist the law).

On the other side of the fence, if RM are paying you then you should really do what work they tell you to do (unless you can't for a good reason). I've been asked to take deliveries out only to cycle there and back with no time to deliver anything - a waste of time but they did pay me for that time.

EDIT: after reading it mor fully, if you sign that piece of paper then they can lawfully deduct from your wages.

great piece

Post by **rhino49** » 26 Jul 2009, 10:16

Don't refuse to do the absorption - simply tell the manager that whether it can be absorbed or not will only be proven by taking it out and trying - warn them that anything (including your own duty) that is not completed by the end of your duty time will be returned to the office. That way you are fulfilling the obligation and dropping them in even more manure by losing the goodwill that may have otherwise been shown in finishing your own duty... and don't forget the time it will take you to return mail to the office - that is their time - not your time, so finish an appropriate period sooner.

As I understand it - absorption or lapsing was to be exercised where there was capacity to do so, but capacities forecast by computers, like our experience of Pegasus, bear no relation to reality and on top of that the lapsing seems not to be used to cover the most intense holiday period, but any absences at all, which would have once been covered by happy volunteers on overtime.

Royal Mail want to have their cake and eat it - make them choke on it by being polite, helpful and sticking to your finishing time.

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 26 Jul 2009, 12:08

Chatting to our Area CWU rep recently, he said certain offices in his area had never done "Summer Slaving" or absorbtion. With not much come back from Management. Are some offices being targetted harder that others or are their DOMs just bigger A*******s?

It would be interesting if some figures could be provided about which offices are lapsing and which are only delivering 3 1/2 duties. Obviously not from RM, maybe the CWU? Hand on heart I've never had a duty that was only 3 1/2 hours long, do such things exist?

Cheers

"Like all wage slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with."

Paul_theother_One · Post by **Paul_theother_One** » 26 Jul 2009, 12:15

We were told last Friday that as form Monday we have to cover rounds by all taking a chunk out after or before or whenever we can fit it in as we all seem to have so much time to spare on some days. (Jokers) We have had in writing that if we refuse 3 times we can be sent home on no pay. I asked the question what if the person is sent home you will then not only have two rounds to cover so what if someone refuse to cover that second round Will you send them home too? Bemused look on Dims face.

I then asked that if you send two posties home, you will have a third round to cover so what if a postie refuse to do that one, will you send him home and so on and os on

My question is

Can they send you home on no pay

I can understand failing to carry out a managers request but can they get away with this scam to get us to work FREE?

Cheers

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I'll just move this to the absorbrtion thread as there is some good advice available as a downloads in there

your_postie · Post by **your_postie** » 26 Jul 2009, 13:18

Paul_theother_One wrote:We were told last Friday that as form Monday we have to cover rounds by all taking a chunk out after or before or whenever we can fit it in as we all seem to have so much time to spare on some days. (Jokers) We have had in writing that if we refuse 3 times we can be sent home on no pay. I asked the question what if the person is sent home you will then not only have two rounds to cover so what if someone refuse to cover that second round Will you send them home too? Bemused look on Dims face.

I then asked that if you send two posties home, you will have a third round to cover so what if a postie refuse to do that one, will you send him home and so on and os on

My question is

Can they send you home on no pay

I can understand failing to carry out a managers request but can they get away with this scam to get us to work FREE?

Cheers

____________________________________________________________

I'll just move this to the absorbrtion thread as there is some good advice available as a downloads in there

They won't send you home, they will just stop paying you.

andy2007 · Post by **andy2007** » 26 Jul 2009, 15:22

Isn't that illegal?
And even if it isn't. Would I be right in thinking that if you aren't being paid, you don't have to stay?
In other words: Can you just go Home, if they stop paying you. Without actually being in breach of your Contract of Employment?
And if not, why not.

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 26 Jul 2009, 16:37

It'll fall under the 'Illegal withholding of wages', they can suspend you but they have to pay you during the suspension.

your_postie · Post by **your_postie** » 26 Jul 2009, 22:23

So we simply do the job as they say we should, forget job and finish, we've all had a good run of it while it lasted, it's time to turn the table in a very big/national way

borders · Post by **borders** » 26 Jul 2009, 23:11

never refuse a request , just point out to your manager the time restraints.

bogstandard · Post by **bogstandard** » 27 Jul 2009, 10:18

why not just ask for your rep and request the documentational proof they have no doubt gathered with the assistance of the rep that clearly shows how you have capacity within your normal duty time to accept the extra workload.

Post by **stokes11eg** » 27 Jul 2009, 13:16

If doing the extra work means you go into overtime, you can, as with normal overtime refuse to do it without fear of
repurcussions--more importantly, in Scotland, it is simply against the law to send out a threatening letter to you, they can only say a course of action has been taken..It comes under the 'Commmon Law of threats"and included within that is a lovely old fashioned, but still relevant,but baically says you should't suffer any injury to your 'fortune! i.e. pay.
keep that letter, and make it come back and bite them.if you work in england, slightly different laws apply, but mug up on them.

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