THE CON ANOTHER UPDATE

[ldsposti]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

[norbert]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

Mark White on Hellmail has done an article mentioning it , also he's made a mountain out of a molehill about the scab definition one which obviously comes from the far left and has been knocking round for years . ( CWU Supporting or Leading ? )

The problem is that though he goes beyond parody as a Richard Littlejohn style pseudo journalist , this rabble rousing is lapped up by RM's " managerial " chain of command .

1 . I'd have the branch in , otherwise a ambitious but mediocre manager will capitalize on it and RM will back him up meaning another Bristol 3 or 4 scenario , who is trying to impress who and whom ? 2 . I'd have it discreetly leaked , maybe the Mail itself ? , two can play dirty ? . 3 . Even if you didn't get the sack , they'd have you on probation or serious warning to appease Senior & Area Management .

Totally illegal , it would be thrown out of any ET but no surprise . There had been no reports about the flyers RM B/S !

[k979aaa]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

Can you pm his address/your workplace too one of us a moderator may be good and he could pm a mail shot too us all so we can send it to him with roses and a big thorn in his side!. POSTAL POWER!.

[pickaname]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

Youre gonna get fired for putting a con flyer on the union notice board? Mental...

[norbert]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

Youre gonna get fired for putting a con flyer on the union notice board? Mental...

spiteful , vindictive and unprofessional , usually down to poor selection and recruitment . The problem is that the British disease , Middle Mangement need these useful idiots at best , to feel safe .

[andy2007]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

The reason that there haven't been any reports from other Offices, is because no-one else has complained about them. If they are stupid enough to sack you. Just take them to Court for unfair dismissal, on the grounds that they've made a false accusation against you, and lied about it not being widely distributed throughout the Country.

Have you asked your Rep, to contact his/her counterparts, to get as many examples as possible of it being distributed elsewhere?
If not. Do so NOW! The sooner you start collecting this evidence, the more you'll have, when you need it. It could take a few days, or even weeks to contact enough Offices. Don't forget about the MCs and RDCs, while you're at it.

[pickaname]

Well theres one on the union notice board at my office - hasnt been taken down, but then prob 'cause were riddled with acting managers who are still technically CWU members- doesnt mention anyone personally so i dont see how you can get fired.

You could always deny putting it up...unless they have evidence to the contrary they would be hard pressed to prove otherwise.

[norbert]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

The reason that there haven't been any reports from other Offices, is because no-one else has complained about them. If they are stupid enough to sack you. Just take them to Court for unfair dismissal, on the grounds that they've made a false accusation against you, and lied about it not being widely distributed throughout the Country.

Have you asked your Rep, to contact his/her counterparts, to get as many examples as possible of it being distributed elsewhere?
If not. Do so NOW! The sooner you start collecting this evidence, the more you'll have, when you need it. It could take a few days, or even weeks to contact enough Offices. Don't forget about the MCs and RDCs, while you're at it.

problem is Andy - there are managers that would be stupid enough to sack him , 1 . He'd be a scalp 2 . RM's senior management have slated by both Mandy and Hooper , the game plan is to smear the union , they're not going to like it if someone calls their bluff ; which effectively that Daily Mail whistle blowing article coupled with the union's propaganda blowing a hole in these dubious bonus schemes has .

At the end of the day , most firm's worst nightmare is a manager with a grudge or chip on his or her shoulder blowing the gaff , for a start they are more likely to be believed rather than trying to bully average Joe that has been hounded through the door out of blowing the gaff and making him out to be a liar . RM has the same problems as other places only to extremes , they've been good at keeping people sweet but it didn't work on the whistleblower .

So yes RM would really be that petty and pathetic and close ranks on someone from a great height .

If someone gets the sack for doing it , on Planet RM it would be softening up people it's a deterrent . WW1 General mentality ? .

You're dealing with people that are paid to be one or two steps ahead , if you're cute enough you can anticipate the games that they are playing . The poor guy to me , has been dragged into the vicious , murky & surreal world of RM petty politics .

Look what happened at Bristol , the cases were built on sand , BUT who was giving the orders and who was trying to impress who and whom ? . If he does get sacked the Union are going to need a razor sharp barrister to turn the tables on / wipe the floor with RM in court as could have happened with the Bristol 3 / 4 .

[stokes11eg]

Have to agree with Norbert---attack as they say is the best form of defence,wait and see what happens in the office,
if they try to dismiss you, tell them you will go to tribunal--in this current climate, with more and more posties going it alone and winning their cases,it will give them pause for thought.you could argue that in putting it on public display, you were in no way being subversive and underhand--All the very best, and good luck.

[norbert]

Have to agree with Norbert---attack as they say is the best form of defence,wait and see what happens in the office,
if they try to dismiss you, tell them you will go to tribunal--in this current climate, with more and more posties going it alone and winning their cases,it will give them pause for thought.you could argue that in putting it on public display, you were in no way being subversive and underhand--All the very best, and good luck.

The problem for RM ( this is what I was driving at ) if they leant too hard on the " Testlettergate " whistleblower and sacked him ( it's alleged that it was a acting manager who more than likely would be still a CWU member ) and sacked him , he'd go to court and give RM a big PR problem .

So ! , RM's " Plan B " would be to look for what they'd think was a softer touch , they'd at least have the chance of wearing people down through the " Stalinist show trial " appeal system , if that didn't work they'd hope somebody bottled it , accepted a settlement off their solicitors before a tribunal .

I'm afraid you can't take RM on , half cocked or if you are scared as you'll get found out .

Don't get me wrong , it is bullying and cowardly what RM [b]might do . [/b]

I agree with stokes11eg that it's best to make RM out to be underhand as apparently the DIM DUM didn't take notes which is " interesting " .

[stokes11eg]

Sadly-i can't remember the full contents of the original post, and do not know how to track it down! but, say for example, the poster that was displayed had information that had already been in the public domain, that could work in
the O.Ps favour.It's too difficult to fully advise anyone without knowing all the facts-not just about the current problem, but about previous warnings ,behaviour etc.but, fight, fight fight, that's what i say.!

[norbert]

Sadly-i can't remember the full contents of the original post, and do not know how to track it down! but, say for example, the poster that was displayed had information that had already been in the public domain, that could work in
the O.Ps favour.It's too difficult to fully advise anyone without knowing all the facts-not just about the current problem, but about previous warnings ,behaviour etc.but, fight, fight fight, that's what i say.!

The Union propaganda poster wasn't offensive , all it said was how much the DIM DUM'S etc were getting in bonuses and staff were either getting zilch or loose change at best . The rest of it was the Daily Mail article - yes that well known commie rag

It could stir up resentment against management at best but as for inciting a strike , that would be laughable if it wasn't so serious .

Yeah - turn the tables on them , two can play that game .

[NWpostie]

NEVER admit to anything, make them work for evidence, don't make it easy for them, I have seen this poster in one Mechanised Office I have been to and no one has taken offence at it, the relationship between the Management and staff are reasonable, not draconian at all, you do get the odd tossers but they are outnumbered by fairly decent ones.

[shelanda]

Hi guys just to let you know i dont think i will be on here much longer, got a letter this morning from the dsm to attend an interview with him this coming tuesday about the con flyers he makes it plain that it could lead to dismisal to be honest i think thats what will happen the charge is gross misconduct, when i was spoken to from the dom over it i told him that we are not the only office to have them he just said there had been no reports from other offices that the con flyers were put about, i've not much going for me on this one without any evidence, i think now i will see how good the union is but i don't think i have a chance on this one but one thing i do know is i will give as much back as i get, will let you know how i get on.

WTF is going on in your office this is just incredible, how the hell can 1 rep get this much s**t for doing what loads of others of us have done with not even a word said to them!!!! Just can't get my head round the arrogance of this dom for pulling you up for telling the truth...... is his next stop the media....... his must have been a big bonus and he feels guilty cause he got it off the backs of the people that have seen the poster.