Fairness

[spilie]

Considering everything do you think strike breakers get more sympathy and protection than those of us who strike?

[apple]

yes

[bogstandard]

i honestly couldn't say.
i have nothing to do with them once they have made their decision to cross the line.
once they cross that line our views differ and we are no longer on speaking terms.
Had a bloke at our office need my help a couple of weeks after he crossed the line, i told him he wasn't a member anymore, he said he was and he was still paying subs. i told him that to my knowledge he was no longer a member, he should seek assistance from branch. kept it civil, what more does he want?

[ldsposti]

yes they do

[islfor]

The runners and those that dont do the job properly as adviced by the union, do get preferential treatment by managers.....what other company would reward bad workmen. :cfo

[andy2007]

No, I don't think they get any sympathy at all, once they've crossed the lines. At least not in my experience. But they DO get more protection.

The problem as I see it, is twofold. Before the Strike. Anyone who says that they're considering crossing the lines, is usually subjected to considerable intimidation. Instead of people calmly explaining that they're wrong to even consider doing so.

There are a lot of people, who're scared of the short term financial difficulties that they will face if they Strike. But what we should be explaining to them, is that if they DON'T Strike, they'll face far worse, long term financial problems, deterioration of their working conditions, and less job security. Looking at the situation from the very short sighted perspective, of worrying about paying next week/months bills, is incredibly counterproductive. And it's exactly the attitude that Managers love, as it deters people for voting for Strikes, and sometimes convinces people to cross the lines.

After the Strike. If someone has crossed the Picket Lines, they're usually Bullied. Which alienates them, and makes them more likley to cross the lines in the future, just to spite those who Bullied them. And could potentially result in suspensions, or even sackings for B&H!

Obviously there are a minority of people, who just don't care, and will cross the lines, no matter what we do. But is it REALLY worth missing the opportunity to convince the short sighted, and often frightened, Strike Breakers. That they were wrong to do so, and should support us in the future?
I've seen people start off Strike Breaking, and later, join us on the Picket Lines. It's not just a pipe dream. It's a FACT!

[DGP1]

I think they only feel like the get better treatment but if my office is anything to go by, they've had the same crap thrown at them as have those who did strike, I'm not sure if they would cross a picket line again but this time they'll have fewer reasons.

[k979aaa]

I think they only feel like the get better treatment but if my office is anything to go by, they've had the same crap thrown at them as have those who did strike, I'm not sure if they would cross a picket line again but this time they'll have fewer reasons.

How true we had a few out of a hundred's + which chose their path and are coming back too the fold yet more newby's will think they are the chosen ones who will inherit the earth!. BOLLOCKS as has been proven in our office!.

[krussel]

In my Experience working in a smallish office I do think non strikers get protection from the management immediately following the strike action. Then of course managers move around and it becomes forgotten and they become treated like the rest. As for the posties your opinion and perception of that person changes for good. You cannot simply give up say 2 days money whilst watching colleges getting paid without feeling any resentment. Especially knowing full well that after the action has ended they will enjoy full benefit of any working improvements which may have been won.

We had only 4 people work through the last batch of strikes.
One guy had already secured another job anyway and shortly left to become a copper . One became a manager almost the week after the strikes ended and lasted for 6 months then got sacked over a matter of incompetence. Of the two that stayed to my knowledge did not receive any bulling or harassment but little things did occur such as peoples un-willingness to swap rest days and choices with splits in overtime walks etc.
Out of the two one has left and one still remains but I cant say his the best liked person in the office.

[k979aaa]

In my Experience working in a smallish office I do think non strikers get protection from the management immediately following the strike action. Then of course managers move around and it becomes forgotten and they become treated like the rest. As for the posties your opinion and perception of that person changes for good. You cannot simply give up say 2 days money whilst watching colleges getting paid without feeling any resentment. Especially knowing full well that after the action has ended they will enjoy full benefit of any working improvements which may have been won.

We had only 4 people work through the last batch of strikes.
One guy had already secured another job anyway and shortly left to become a copper . One became a manager almost the week after the strikes ended and lasted for 6 months then got sacked over a matter of incompetence. Of the two that stayed to my knowledge did not receive any bulling or harassment but little things did occur such as peoples willingness to swap rest days and choices with splits in overtime walks etc.
Out of the two one has left and one still remains but I cant say his the best liked person in the office.

And that dispute was more over pay while this is about the very fabric of the job and the right of democracy over dictatorship!. :cfo :cfo :cfo :cfo :cfo

[postghost]

i honestly couldn't say.
i have nothing to do with them once they have made their decision to cross the line.
once they cross that line our views differ and we are no longer on speaking terms.
Had a bloke at our office need my help a couple of weeks after he crossed the line, i told him he wasn't a member anymore, he said he was and he was still paying subs. i told him that to my knowledge he was no longer a member, he should seek assistance from branch. kept it civil, what more does he want?

Do you still speak to the people who dont do the job properly though?

[calpsy]

i honestly couldn't say.
i have nothing to do with them once they have made their decision to cross the line.
once they cross that line our views differ and we are no longer on speaking terms.
Had a bloke at our office need my help a couple of weeks after he crossed the line, i told him he wasn't a member anymore, he said he was and he was still paying subs. i told him that to my knowledge he was no longer a member, he should seek assistance from branch. kept it civil, what more does he want?

Do you still speak to the people who dont do the job properly though?

Are we back at school ??? " I'm not talking to you anymore " .

Jeez

[postghost]

i honestly couldn't say.
i have nothing to do with them once they have made their decision to cross the line.
once they cross that line our views differ and we are no longer on speaking terms.
Had a bloke at our office need my help a couple of weeks after he crossed the line, i told him he wasn't a member anymore, he said he was and he was still paying subs. i told him that to my knowledge he was no longer a member, he should seek assistance from branch. kept it civil, what more does he want?

Do you still speak to the people who dont do the job properly though?

Are we back at school ??? " I'm not talking to you anymore " .

Jeez

I asked a simple question relevant to the topic. It wasnt directed at you so I dont know why you feel the need to comment on my post in such a childish manner.

[whitemoor66]

No, I don't think they get any sympathy at all, once they've crossed the lines. At least not in my experience. But they DO get more protection.

The problem as I see it, is twofold. Before the Strike. Anyone who says that they're considering crossing the lines, is usually subjected to considerable intimidation. Instead of people calmly explaining that they're wrong to even consider doing so.

There are a lot of people, who're scared of the short term financial difficulties that they will face if they Strike. But what we should be explaining to them, is that if they DON'T Strike, they'll face far worse, long term financial problems, deterioration of their working conditions, and less job security. Looking at the situation from the very short sighted perspective, of worrying about paying next week/months bills, is incredibly counterproductive. And it's exactly the attitude that Managers love, as it deters people for voting for Strikes, and sometimes convinces people to cross the lines.

After the Strike. If someone has crossed the Picket Lines, they're usually Bullied. Which alienates them, and makes them more likley to cross the lines in the future, just to spite those who Bullied them. And could potentially result in suspensions, or even sackings for B&H!

Obviously there are a minority of people, who just don't care, and will cross the lines, no matter what we do. But is it REALLY worth missing the opportunity to convince the short sighted, and often frightened, Strike Breakers. That they were wrong to do so, and should support us in the future?
I've seen people start off Strike Breaking, and later, join us on the Picket Lines. It's not just a pipe dream. It's a FACT!

Short term loss should not be a consideration within the bigger picture (in my opinion.) I've been there and dealt with it. If you lose money through industrial action, you have to prioritise who you have to pay. It will help if you are up front with the people you owe money to, rather than not opening letters or picking up the phone. Obviously rent/mortgage has to be a priority. Mortgage Companys will be more helpful than landords, especially private ones. Utilities will accept revised budgets as will council tax people. They will all piss and moan but if you offer a token payment and work out and agree a revised budget, they will accept in in the end. As for credit agreements, they can accept a reduced payment for one month. If you credit is poor anyway, it won't change anything. If your wage doesn't cover your outgoings anyway, you are in the wrong job.

Yes everybody can afford to loose a few days pay for Industrial Action.

I was taking industrial action for 3 weeks against BT in early 1987 with the P.O.E.U. and got married in May that year. You will and can find a way.

I hope you find my post helpful and I promise you I don't wan't it to sound patronising, but look at the bigger picture.

If you are in the club, as far as I'm concerned, you have to obey the club rules.

[postghost]

Yes everybody can afford to loose a few days pay for Industrial Action.

Really??