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Mail bosses disciplined after post is dumped in trailer
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Mail bosses disciplined after post is dumped in trailer
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By ALAN McEWEN
FIVE managers at Royal Mail have faced disciplinary action following an internal inquiry into the discovery of tens of thousands of undelivered letters found dumped inside a lorry trailer.
Bundles of post were found in the back of an articulated trailer parked in the yard of the Edinburgh Mail Centre in Sighthill in September.
The figure is believed to be around 20,000 although Royal Mail bosses have been unable to comment on the number.
Speculation centred on whether the mail had been stashed away to make it easier to hit delivery targets which result in bonus payments being made.
Five managers at the depot have been investigated by Royal Mail chiefs over eight months and faced reprimands over the affair.
Sources say that two of the managers have been dealt with and kept their jobs, while two more are appealing against the inquiry's findings and one case remains outstanding to be decided next week.
Royal Mail bosses today declined to comment, saying it was "an internal matter" which was being "dealt with". They would not comment on the nature of the allegations against the managers.
But sources at the mail centre claim the inquiry's findings have been "swept under the carpet", with mail chiefs reluctant to sack any of the managers "in case the truth came out".
One source said: "Everyone was sworn to secrecy over this under threat of disciplinary action. The bosses didn't want the public to know about it. They would rather it all just went away."
Another source said: "If a postman had been hoarding letters and failing to deliver them then they would be dismissed, as has happened in the past, and rightly so. They would've also faced criminal charges in the courts. No-one will lose their jobs over this. There's a lot of pressure on the managers to meet delivery targets within the Royal Mail. That's what their bosses are interested in."
It is understood that independent auditors visited the centre in the east of Edinburgh last year to examine their books and discovered tens of thousands of letters had been undelivered.
Postal workers claimed that computers were taken away from the facility for closer inspection.
A spokesman for the Communication Workers Union (CWU) said: "We are aware that a matter was being dealt with internally."
A spokesman for Consumer Focus Scotland said that "issues like this are damaging" for Royal Mail.
He added: "While we can't comment on decisions about staff, it's important for Royal Mail's image and reputation that the same high standards are expected of every member of staff whatever their role in getting the post to people's homes and offices."
Last May, it was reported that nearly a fifth of Edinburgh and the Lothians' first class mail was not delivered on time last year.
Just 83.2 per cent of first class post was delivered the next working day in the EH postcode area during 2007/08 – with last summer's strike action being blamed for the drop from 93.8 per cent in 2006/07.
By ALAN McEWEN
FIVE managers at Royal Mail have faced disciplinary action following an internal inquiry into the discovery of tens of thousands of undelivered letters found dumped inside a lorry trailer.
Bundles of post were found in the back of an articulated trailer parked in the yard of the Edinburgh Mail Centre in Sighthill in September.
The figure is believed to be around 20,000 although Royal Mail bosses have been unable to comment on the number.
Speculation centred on whether the mail had been stashed away to make it easier to hit delivery targets which result in bonus payments being made.
Five managers at the depot have been investigated by Royal Mail chiefs over eight months and faced reprimands over the affair.
Sources say that two of the managers have been dealt with and kept their jobs, while two more are appealing against the inquiry's findings and one case remains outstanding to be decided next week.
Royal Mail bosses today declined to comment, saying it was "an internal matter" which was being "dealt with". They would not comment on the nature of the allegations against the managers.
But sources at the mail centre claim the inquiry's findings have been "swept under the carpet", with mail chiefs reluctant to sack any of the managers "in case the truth came out".
One source said: "Everyone was sworn to secrecy over this under threat of disciplinary action. The bosses didn't want the public to know about it. They would rather it all just went away."
Another source said: "If a postman had been hoarding letters and failing to deliver them then they would be dismissed, as has happened in the past, and rightly so. They would've also faced criminal charges in the courts. No-one will lose their jobs over this. There's a lot of pressure on the managers to meet delivery targets within the Royal Mail. That's what their bosses are interested in."
It is understood that independent auditors visited the centre in the east of Edinburgh last year to examine their books and discovered tens of thousands of letters had been undelivered.
Postal workers claimed that computers were taken away from the facility for closer inspection.
A spokesman for the Communication Workers Union (CWU) said: "We are aware that a matter was being dealt with internally."
A spokesman for Consumer Focus Scotland said that "issues like this are damaging" for Royal Mail.
He added: "While we can't comment on decisions about staff, it's important for Royal Mail's image and reputation that the same high standards are expected of every member of staff whatever their role in getting the post to people's homes and offices."
Last May, it was reported that nearly a fifth of Edinburgh and the Lothians' first class mail was not delivered on time last year.
Just 83.2 per cent of first class post was delivered the next working day in the EH postcode area during 2007/08 – with last summer's strike action being blamed for the drop from 93.8 per cent in 2006/07.
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like this./
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: Mail bosses disciplined after post is dumped in trailer
Whilst I generally against anyone losing their job, I really believe those managers should be severely punished, put them onto a delivery

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Quite simply put sister stokesy they can't no confidence no trust.stokes11eg wrote:Unbelievable--especially if the guilty ones get to keep their jobs.how can the Staff have confidence in Managers
like this./
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Re: Mail bosses disciplined after post is dumped in trailer
the problem is like with most firms , RM fear a bitter , twisted manager with a chip on his shoulder taking them to Tribunal and spilling the beans . An Area Manager took RM to court for constructive dismissal after the Jermaine Lee case .disgruntledpostie1 wrote:Whilst I generally against anyone losing their job, I really believe those managers should be severely punished, put them onto a delivery![]()
Bit embarrassing and difficult to brush under the carpet , especially with the cat being out of the bag . The options would be to ask managers to " persue other careers " or the IB can take out a private prosecution out against them , providing there's grounds for a successful prosecution .
I've known one manager appeal when caught pilfering and only pleaded guilty with a Crown Court case looming , another was known for having quite a " interest " in blue locker bags , RM promoted him , Police enquiries for a ram raid were purely
Don't get me wrong , it does stink .
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Re: Mail bosses disciplined after post is dumped in trailer
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I am a postman and I kept the faith and I kept voting, not for new labour but for the working man.
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Re: Mail bosses disciplined after post is dumped in trailer
I just hope that these managers are no longer managers, they should be demoted to posties and should never be able to taken on another management role within RM. What they have done is wilful delay of mail and how many posties are sacked each year for this.
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They must be sacked. Demoting them to posties is an insult.
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Awwwwwwwwwwww c'mon dgp, you can surely think of a worse punishment than that - remember the torus?disgruntledpostie1 wrote:Whilst I generally against anyone losing their job, I really believe those managers should be severely punished, put them onto a delivery![]()
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shadow wrote:They must be sacked. Promoting them to posties is an insult.
Slight correction to your post
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You are totally right! If they cannot be trusted as managers how can they be trusted as posties. Why do RM protect people like this?linkinpark wrote:Steady on! Most all the posties i know are honest and those that aint lose their jobs as it should be! Why would we want five lying, cheating, stealing people made into posties so they can carry on with the same sort of things? We hold a position of trust as posties as do our management but i defo dont want their rejects by my side! After all most although not all of them are OUR rejects in the first place. Sack em i say!mailsort6 wrote:I just hope that these managers are no longer managers, they should be demoted to posties and should never be able to taken on another management role within RM. What they have done is wilful delay of mail and how many posties are sacked each year for this.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:shadow wrote:They must be sacked. Promoting them to posties is an insult.
Slight correction to your post
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Thanks for correcting me. You are so right.
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ha! i know that one of them was moved to be a delivery office cluster manager. in the office that he's based in he's trying to sack one of the few guys who stands up to the dom. he really is a lying backstabbing p*i*k!mailsort6 wrote:I just hope that these managers are no longer managers, they should be demoted to posties and should never be able to taken on another management role within RM. What they have done is wilful delay of mail and how many posties are sacked each year for this.