Postie pounds the pavements to get job back

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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POSTMAN Peter Sturt, who was dismissed from the post office in a sicknote dispute, has been reinstated.
The popular delivery man was backed in his appeal to get his job back by householders on his rounds in Burgess Hill.

Les Moore and Dr Stephen Nicholls, of Marle Avenue, organised a petition backing Peter and collected more than 300 signatures.

The Royal Mail has refused to comment on individual cases and declined
to confirm that Peter was back at work.

But Dr Nichollas said: "Peter came to my door to thank me for my help and the help of all the other people who supported him.

"He is obviously a very popular person round here. People who are disabled or housebound are particularly grateful that he is back because if he has a parcel or registered letter for them and they are out or can't get to the door, he goes back later in the day to try and deliver it again. He has very good work qualities and is a very exceptional person. "

Councillor Pru Moore said she and her husband were also delighted with the news.

"Everyone is saying 'have you heard about Peter?' I would say 99 per cent of people who were asked signed the petition and it shows what people power can do."

Peter, 33, of Burchetts Close, Haywards Heath, cycles the five miles every day to work at the Post Office's York Road depot in Burgess Hill.

He had previously said he had had 11 days off work due to sickness in the previous two years, including a period for an operation.

He said at the time: "Obviously my sick record isn't amazing. I put my hands up to that, but I don't think it's that bad either."

This week the Royal Mail said again that it was unable to comment on any individual employment cases involving its staff.

[stokes11eg]

It's always great when Customers get behind their Posties,and a surprising number do.

[Carnoustie]

He had previously said he had had 11 days off work due to sickness in the previous two years, including a period for an operation.

He said at the time: "Obviously my sick record isn't amazing. I put my hands up to that, but I don't think it's that bad either."

This week the Royal Mail said again that it was unable to comment on any individual employment cases involving its staff.

So how did he get to a Stage 3, when it takes as much as 14 days absence just to trigger a Stage 1 ????

[fmrPOSTIE]

Another incompetant and wrongful sacking by RM. Funny how its always Royal Mail who c*ck up and the postie gets reinstated.

They'll never learn!

[Tman]

So how did he get to a Stage 3, when it takes as much as 14 days absence just to trigger a Stage 1 ????

Because we're not being told the full story, that's why. RM probably cocked up the dismissal procedure in some way, and that's why it was over-turned, rather than the employee not accruing "enough" sick absence to warrant it.
Too many ex-posties and stamp-sellers in HR, and not enough HR trained staff, and that's always going to cause problems.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So how did he get to a Stage 3, when it takes as much as 14 days absence just to trigger a Stage 1 ????

Because we're not being told the full story, that's why. RM probably cocked up the dismissal procedure in some way, and that's why it was over-turned, rather than the employee not accruing "enough" sick absence to warrant it.
Too many ex-posties and stamp-sellers in HR, and not enough HR trained staff, and that's always going to cause problems.

If thats true and no just a guess it explains why RM can be in such a mess. HR is usually a specialised role requiring at a minimum 2 weeks training, (in the RAF with the different stages its 6 weeks, 15 weeks and 3 weeks) its not a job you just throw someone who has some clerical skills on and hope they do OK.

I am literally astounded if this turns out to be true.

[Tman]

If thats true and no just a guess it explains why RM can be in such a mess. HR is usually a specialised role requiring at a minimum 2 weeks training, (in the RAF with the different stages its 6 weeks, 15 weeks and 3 weeks) its not a job you just throw someone who has some clerical skills on and hope they do OK.

"15 /6/3 weeks"? You're having a laugh TBT. HR staff in the "real world" normally have to study for external qualifications often over one-two years, then many go on to take degrees in the subject. (This obviously isn't the part-timers who make the tea, but staff who make important decisions regarding staff, recruitment, etc etc)

I am literally astounded if this turns out to be true.

It's been the case in RM for as long as I've been here. MCM? Ex-postie. All three shift managers? Same. Head of transport? And again. Buildings branch? Guess. Accounts branch? And again. When we had our own clerical, HR and pay groups, a mixture of stamp-sellers and ex-posties. Even the head chef in the canteen was ex-postie!

Oh yes, very egalitarian, in that no-one was actually trained for anything.......

[TrueBlueTerrier]

If thats true and no just a guess it explains why RM can be in such a mess. HR is usually a specialised role requiring at a minimum 2 weeks training, (in the RAF with the different stages its 6 weeks, 15 weeks and 3 weeks) its not a job you just throw someone who has some clerical skills on and hope they do OK.

"15 /6/3 weeks"? You're having a laugh TBT. HR staff in the "real world" normally have to study for external qualifications often over one-two years, then many go on to take degrees in the subject. (This obviously isn't the part-timers who make the tea, but staff who make important decisions regarding staff, recruitment, etc etc)

I am literally astounded if this turns out to be true.

It's been the case in RM for as long as I've been here. MCM? Ex-postie. All three shift managers? Same. Head of transport? And again. Buildings branch? Guess. Accounts branch? And again. When we had our own clerical, HR and pay groups, a mixture of stamp-sellers and ex-posties. Even the head chef in the canteen was ex-postie!



Oh yes, very egalitarian, in that no-one was actually trained for anything.......

No I am not having a laugh - I'll shout it so you can see it again IN THE RAF

I know its not on purpose but you do have a way of belittling people without even realising it - or perhaps you think I am too sensitive.

[Tman]

I know its not on purpose but you do have a way of belittling people without even realising it - or perhaps you think I am too sensitive.

I think you probably are. The "real world" I was referring to was the one outside of RM.
What happens in the services is of no consequence to me in this employment.

[rockytony67]

As 98% of so-called managers were originally posties, isn't the real issue here the traditional "knocking" of anyone seen to be attempting to climb out of the postie comfort zone?

Or maybe the DO gene pool is just too scarcely populated with those of sufficient nous to make any sort of manager?

Doesn't say much for RM staff when the most taxing decision most have to make is whether it's tea time yet or not.

Tman

Tman your not joining the traditional"knocking" of anyone attempting to climb out of the postie comfort zone, are you?

[mailsort6]

Usually to be a HR manager you need to hold a HR degree or a business/adminisatraton degree. HR jobs are usually skilled jobs and you need some form of qualifications, but it would not surprise me if some HR staff were ex-posties, ex-stamp sellers, etc. In my office I sometimes wonder how some ex-posties got certain jobs because I know and others know they did not have the skills and qualifications for certain jobs.

[Tman]

As 98% of so-called managers were originally posties, isn't the real issue here the traditional "knocking" of anyone seen to be attempting to climb out of the postie comfort zone?

Tman your not joining the traditional"knocking" of anyone attempting to climb out of the postie comfort zone, are you?

Hardly. Any firm should encourage ambition in it's staff, but that's hardly equatable or comparable to the RM practice of promoting people waaay beyond thier capabilities, and as Mailsort6 rightly says, often with no skills or qualifications either.

See the difference?

[borders]

As 98% of so-called managers were originally posties, isn't the real issue here the traditional "knocking" of anyone seen to be attempting to climb out of the postie comfort zone?

Tman your not joining the traditional"knocking" of anyone attempting to climb out of the postie comfort zone, are you?

Hardly. Any firm should encourage ambition in it's staff, but that's hardly equatable or comparable to the RM practice of promoting people waaay beyond thier capabilities, and as Mailsort6 rightly says, often with no skills or qualifications either.

See the difference?

i am going to agree with Mr Tman here for once . its not what you know, its who you know that counts at our MC... allegedly ....

[rockytony67]

It's been the case in RM for as long as I've been here. MCM? Ex-postie. All three shift managers? Same. Head of transport? And again. Buildings branch? Guess. Accounts branch? And again. When we had our own clerical, HR and pay groups, a mixture of stamp-sellers and ex-posties. Even the head chef in the canteen was ex-postie!

Oh yes, very egalitarian, in that no-one was actually trained for anything.......

Hardly. Any firm should encourage ambition in it's staff, but that's hardly equatable or comparable to the RM practice of promoting people waaay beyond thier capabilities, and as Mailsort6 rightly says, often with no skills or qualifications either.

See the difference?

I do now If Tman says they are not appropriate for the the job then thats OK the rest of us who criticise managers are just knocking them for there aspirations to climb out of there postie comfit zone, oh how I would love to live on Mount Olympus with the great man

[Tman]

No Mount Olympus for you until you get those envy and anger issues sorted.

Are "postie comfits" better than regular liquorice comfits?