they want even more hours

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 21 Feb 2007, 16:03

found out today they now want 130 hours from us. i think most of the lads thought we would just lose the 2 nights. and that was it. i got a letter from the union yesterday as well about protecting our jobs ect. what i want to know really is are we going to fight this or will it be the same old same old. you know where they talk a brilliant fight and the 2 blokes turn up. ones got a white flag and the other ones got a pole to hoist it up on. if we dont start fighting back i can see in 2 or 3 yrs all the walks will be on a 30 hr week

johno47 · Post by **johno47** » 21 Feb 2007, 17:27

They want 6% from every D O every year, at Burslem we have been doing the job to the book, i.e using the van in and out, taking proper breaks, not using cars, because the only savings they can make, are the savings we ourselves made by rushing around making time for ourselves. They actually want 12% off us this year, because we gave them bugger all last year. If everybody did the job properly they would not be able to make these savings, it makes me smile every time i see that everybody in a D O has got a one off payment of a few hundred quid for making savings in a office usually by giving up a job/duty, doesnt anybody realise that we are helping them to make us work harder, and to get rid of us, because no matter what anybody says, you will never get that job/duty back EVER.

539 · Post by **539** » 21 Feb 2007, 18:42

I have heard a rumour from good sources that both sides are about to sign a new productivity deal..........

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 21 Feb 2007, 18:49

i thought we would have to have a vote first on any deals. or does the union not do things like that anymore.

539 · Post by **539** » 21 Feb 2007, 21:13

We didnt have a vote on the last productivity deal.

Don't you rememeber the uproar that caused?

Not saying i agree or disagree at the moment just passing on some info however it may turn out to be just another one of those rumours.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 21 Feb 2007, 23:20

The thing is after these cuts,when the super pooper machines come in they'll want bloody more ffs

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 23 Feb 2007, 18:05

Today we had a pretty heavy day, these are the days when all the moaners come out of the woodwork, my delivery is going to take me longer than 3 1/2 hours, i should get help a member tells me, but you'll still finish a good 1 1/2 hours before your duty time i tell him, thats beside the point the union said it was going to be a 3 1/2 hour delivery span he says, i agree they did say that but if you came in at your proper time, didn't prep-up before the missort van, had your break and didn't use your car, it would take you to or over your duty time then you could ask for help without being sacked for getting help but finishing early.

and away he went back into the hole he came out of, until the next heavy day.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 12 Mar 2007, 21:02

Rep pushed the DOM and got out of him they only want 35hrs out........touch!!!!

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 13 Mar 2007, 08:44

I can see them wanting a longer delivery span, about 4 1/2 hours especially if these walk sequencing machines live up to their expectation.

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 13 Mar 2007, 12:54

it`s lokking that way in our place. i dont think the 3.5hr walk is going to last much longer.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 13 Mar 2007, 13:33

The chances are they will want it raised that's obvious,but i can't see the Union allowing it,and at the end ot the day i can't see us voting it in.
With the job losses now and the job losses that would happen if that happened,they'll be none of us left ffs,and also importantly
less paying Union subs.
My rep did tell me that the Union will fight tooth and nail not to get it raised.
But in all honesty,i can eventually see it going up by at least a bit,15-30 mins.

And then later on.................???

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 13 Mar 2007, 13:57

POSTMAN wrote:The chances are they will want it raised that's obvious,but i can't see the Union allowing it,and at the end ot the day i can't see us voting it in.
With the job losses now and the job losses that would happen if that happened,they'll be none of us left ffs,and also importantly
less paying Union subs.
My rep did tell me that the Union will fight tooth and nail not to get it raised.
But in all honesty,i can eventually see it going up by at least a bit,15-30 mins.
And then later on.................???

i hope they do fight. and i mean fight. or theres going to be a lot of guys that will find it harder and harder to to the job. more weight longer walks.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 13 Mar 2007, 14:23

kwikpost wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:The chances are they will want it raised that's obvious,but i can't see the Union allowing it,and at the end ot the day i can't see us voting it in.
With the job losses now and the job losses that would happen if that happened,they'll be none of us left ffs,and also importantly
less paying Union subs.
My rep did tell me that the Union will fight tooth and nail not to get it raised.
But in all honesty,i can eventually see it going up by at least a bit,15-30 mins.
And then later on.................???
i hope they do fight. and i mean fight. or theres going to be a lot of guys that will find it harder and harder to to the job. more weight longer walks.

There are walks out there,especially at your place(i presume you're upstairs) that are on the button for a 3-30 + delivery.
We're bout 3-ish on an average day 3-30 on a badden,i can't handel anymore,i'm shagged as it is now.

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 13 Mar 2007, 14:44

POSTMAN wrote:
kwikpost wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:The chances are they will want it raised that's obvious,but i can't see the Union allowing it,and at the end ot the day i can't see us voting it in.
With the job losses now and the job losses that would happen if that happened,they'll be none of us left ffs,and also importantly
less paying Union subs.
My rep did tell me that the Union will fight tooth and nail not to get it raised.
But in all honesty,i can eventually see it going up by at least a bit,15-30 mins.
And then later on.................???
i hope they do fight. and i mean fight. or theres going to be a lot of guys that will find it harder and harder to to the job. more weight longer walks.
There are walks out there,especially at your place(i presume you're upstairs) that are on the button for a 3-30 + delivery.
We're bout 3-ish on an average day 3-30 on a badden,i can't handel anymore,i'm shagged as it is now.

the real crunch will come if they take the nights. another 30-40mins on the sorting and thats on a good day will push some of them beyond their limit. they keep saying the work is falling of. i have no idea were though if anything ours seems to be going up. we have never been in the possition were we get specials in every day.

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 13 Mar 2007, 15:27

Whether they find a way of increasing delivery time or not, they will certainly be looking at ways of making sure we work the hours we get paid for, possibly indoor work before delivery.