Tour-de-force, word perfect demolition of Bottler

[BELIAL]

[johnsouthwales]

i reckon the real labour mps should walk away from brown, form their own party, and form a credible opposition to new labour land to the torys lol.

why do they still call it new labour? it's not new anymore..somebody should tell umm . its nearly 12 years old haha

[TrueBlueTerrier]

i reckon the real labour mps should walk away from brown, form their own party, and form a credible opposition to new labour land to the torys lol.

why do they still call it new labour? it's not new anymore..somebody should tell umm . its nearly 12 years old haha

Bluebour.

Liarbour

[johnsouthwales]

or better still, brown and his cronies leave labour and form their own party lol

[norbert]

i reckon the real labour mps should walk away from brown, form their own party, and form a credible opposition to new labour land to the torys lol.

why do they still call it new labour? it's not new anymore..somebody should tell umm . its nearly 12 years old haha

Bluebour.

Liarbour

he was a good leader of "gangs" that was about it , even one Blairite MP told me , he has no leadership or authority over his cabinet e.g . The Old Queen sorry Prince of Darkness acting as Deputy Prime Minister or Prime Minister .
It'll be civil war in the PLP after the next General Election ?

[johnsouthwales]

what g.brown has quickly forgotten...less than a year ago, after defeats...his own words were 'we must listen to the people as a party.'

[norbert]

what g.brown has quickly forgotten...less than a year ago, after defeats...his own words were 'we must listen to the people as a party.'

otherwise we'll all be down the road UNLESS we can get directorships / get on the board of certain companies i.e . Patronizing Pat is now on the Board @ Boots who apparently have NHS @ Boots .

One of Blair's old spin doctors / press officers was instrumental in a campaign to abolish National Collective Bargaining with the GMB , who " incidentally " represented Distribution staff at ASDA / Walmart - :lfo " the greatest company in the world " .

It'll get very murky and there will be blood on the floor after June 2010 in the PLP . There MAY be a danger of New Labour being in permanent opposition .

[johnsouthwales]

yeh.. there's so much spin it's making us dizzy

if that's the case of new labour becoming permanent, it be better for evryone to vote for lib-dem?

[NWpostie]

Tory scum criticising other Tory scum.just panto to keep you all amused. Probably off to the same gentlemens club after to share a brandy and a backslap. Still can't knock em ,seems they've got the public sussed

Hopefully more and more of the public are doing the reverse and sussing those back slapping, expense claiming, ivory tower, inbred Junket jockeys and will boot them out next election/revolution.

The next lot will end up just as bad seduced by the trappings and benefit of the Commons bar & freebies etc

The Russian/Soviet revolution was to get rid of the corruption of the Tsars Govt and the notorious Checka only for the next lot to be much worse, the Checka worked for the next Govt as the KGB, which later mutated into the FSB of the Russian Commonwealth

somethings changes some things stays the same, Revolution doesn't always solves the problems it was meant to revolt against.

[BELIAL]

Tory scum criticising other Tory scum.just panto to keep you all amused. Probably off to the same gentlemens club after to share a brandy and a backslap. Still can't knock em ,seems they've got the public sussed

Hopefully more and more of the public are doing the reverse and sussing those back slapping, expense claiming, ivory tower, inbred Junket jockeys and will boot them out next election/revolution.

The next lot will end up just as bad seduced by the trappings and benefit of the Commons bar & freebies etc

The Russian/Soviet revolution was to get rid of the corruption of the Tsars Govt and the notorious Checka only for the next lot to be much worse, the Checka worked for the next Govt as the KGB, which later mutated into the FSB of the Russian Commonwealth

somethings changes some things stays the same, Revolution doesn't always solves the problems it was meant to revolt against.

Not wishing to denigrate your opinions ,but that post perfectly illustrates the mountain we need to climb. The degree of propaganda and social engineering that exists now is beyond anything in our experience. "Common wisdom" equates revolution with State dictatorship/Stalinism ,neatly forgetting to mention the French: American; Romanian etc. revolutions. Revolution becomes a dirty word, why ? Because it challenges the entrenched parasite class.
It ain't accidental ,our lords and masters spend millions working out how to influence the plebs. Look up the Tavistock group
They trade on fear, but "awake arise, or be forever fallen, what though the day be lost,all is not lost; the indomitable will ,the courage to succeed ,the compulsion to strangle Mandelson.ahhhh"

[NWpostie]

Tory scum criticising other Tory scum.just panto to keep you all amused. Probably off to the same gentlemens club after to share a brandy and a backslap. Still can't knock em ,seems they've got the public sussed

Hopefully more and more of the public are doing the reverse and sussing those back slapping, expense claiming, ivory tower, inbred Junket jockeys and will boot them out next election/revolution.

The next lot will end up just as bad seduced by the trappings and benefit of the Commons bar & freebies etc

The Russian/Soviet revolution was to get rid of the corruption of the Tsars Govt and the notorious Checka only for the next lot to be much worse, the Checka worked for the next Govt as the KGB, which later mutated into the FSB of the Russian Commonwealth

somethings changes some things stays the same, Revolution doesn't always solves the problems it was meant to revolt against.

Not wishing to denigrate your opinions ,but that post perfectly illustrates the mountain we need to climb. The degree of propaganda and social engineering that exists now is beyond anything in our experience. "Common wisdom" equates revolution with State dictatorship/Stalinism ,neatly forgetting to mention the French: American; Romanian etc. revolutions. Revolution becomes a dirty word, why ? Because it challenges the entrenched parasite class.
It ain't accidental ,our lords and masters spend millions working out how to influence the plebs. Look up the Tavistock group
They trade on fear, but "awake arise, or be forever fallen, what though the day be lost,all is not lost; the indomitable will ,the courage to succeed ,the compulsion to strangle Mandelson.ahhhh"

A common feature of the above Revolution was violence, which we must avoid, if the Revolution is to be successful, The American revolution was only successful because the rebels came the Great Britain mainly also is conservative in political outlook and they had a vision of how the New Nation should be, they did however have a shaky start as the Consitution was an Article of Confederation which had to be modified to be more centralised and Federal, the French revolution like the Soviet revolution was violent and years of chaos followed it as the break down in law and order bred counter revolutionary activities.

The peaceful revolutions of eastern Europe in the 1980/90s was peaceful and ushered in a stable government, we did have a quiet revolution many years ago and it wasn't sudden, the Industrial revolution, trade union rights, the civil rights movement (not northern ireland), parlimentary democracy et c

as bad as thing are now it will never be as bad a Banana Republic or African dictatorships where life is cheap.