Royal Mail 'refuses to meet us'

[johnsouthwales]

in other words, royal mails gesture of financial help in rellocation is an empty gesture.

in a way, it the same in retail. if you have got two barnches of the same store in the same town, all is well when they both work, even if they are competing against each other. but if there is one in the main shopping street, and the other is towards a quiet spot, it is obvious the quiter one while be hit.

if two sorting offices like you mentioned are literally 5 mins walk apart, and that sounds like approx 500 yards. its a nightmare to solve a formula, if they were exactly the same size in footage, and both were operating at say 50% (its easier to calculate the figure at that example), transfer that figure from one to the other, so that one centre will operate at 100%.. but if one SO had 400 workers, and the other had 200, to keep that 100% going, there has to be no job losses at all. the only benefit rm will have is by selling the other building etc. so, if the SO with 400 is full up, and squeezing in the extra 200 which would cause a nightmare. the only other logical thing to do is find new premises that would be 50% larger than the one they had in the first place. i know theyre only example figures but the theory is there. was it a case of that in the london offices? travelling a mile is not bad in that respect, whether its a car or tube, or bike. or do theories and formulas go out of the window?

the only info i can get so far on warrington is through the business property company link. im pretty sure they (rm) have calculated their figures even taking into account of mail volumes. at the end of the day, ain one respect, it will be beneficial in warringtons interests and their economy, but the problem will be is iif say 50% of crewe and liverpool pack it in, sorters have to be employed. that means training up when the experience was already there. i one way, if rm are prepared to "pay" for training, running the risk of "temporary" inefficiency or even lasting inefficiecy, cannot the cost of the employment and training be used to convey the already experienced staff? if the cost of employing 300 new staff and training them up costs aprox £90,000 per week and operate at 80% wouldnt it be better to convey and achieve 100%.. probably it would be very strange transferring to a new environment geographically, and mentally they'd be wondering where they are as theyd be so used to their old place. take getting used to i suppose.

coming to think of it, im trying to think back a couple of years, something about bridgend is in my mind. i dont know why. if swansea and cardiff merged into one MC, there will be holy hell on guarenteed.. swansea llansamlet is 20 miles away from me. cardiff is 50. halfway between the two is betwen port talbot and bridgend.. cant see that happening.. it makes you think when governments chat about super hospitals and mergers, merging schools and the like.. mergers have alays been happening throughout history somewhere along the lines, but usually on smaller scales.

its still daft to me what i said, that a liverpool or crewe worker would have to travel to warrington, and end up going back there, then back to warrington, then back home. that would seriously p155 people off i tell thee.

[dvbuk55]

in other words, royal mails gesture of financial help in rellocation is an empty gesture.

in a way, it the same in retail. if you have got two barnches of the same store in the same town, all is well when they both work, even if they are competing against each other. but if there is one in the main shopping street, and the other is towards a quiet spot, it is obvious the quiter one while be hit.

if two sorting offices like you mentioned are literally 5 mins walk apart, and that sounds like approx 500 yards. its a nightmare to solve a formula, if they were exactly the same size in footage, and both were operating at say 50% (its easier to calculate the figure at that example), transfer that figure from one to the other, so that one centre will operate at 100%.. but if one SO had 400 workers, and the other had 200, to keep that 100% going, there has to be no job losses at all. the only benefit rm will have is by selling the other building etc. so, if the SO with 400 is full up, and squeezing in the extra 200 which would cause a nightmare. the only other logical thing to do is find new premises that would be 50% larger than the one they had in the first place. i know theyre only example figures but the theory is there. was it a case of that in the london offices? travelling a mile is not bad in that respect, whether its a car or tube, or bike. or do theories and formulas go out of the window?

the only info i can get so far on warrington is through the business property company link. im pretty sure they (rm) have calculated their figures even taking into account of mail volumes. at the end of the day, ain one respect, it will be beneficial in warringtons interests and their economy, but the problem will be is iif say 50% of crewe and liverpool pack it in, sorters have to be employed. that means training up when the experience was already there. i one way, if rm are prepared to "pay" for training, running the risk of "temporary" inefficiency or even lasting inefficiecy, cannot the cost of the employment and training be used to convey the already experienced staff? if the cost of employing 300 new staff and training them up costs aprox £90,000 per week and operate at 80% wouldnt it be better to convey and achieve 100%.. probably it would be very strange transferring to a new environment geographically, and mentally they'd be wondering where they are as theyd be so used to their old place. take getting used to i suppose.

coming to think of it, im trying to think back a couple of years, something about bridgend is in my mind. i dont know why. if swansea and cardiff merged into one MC, there will be holy hell on guarenteed.. swansea llansamlet is 20 miles away from me. cardiff is 50. halfway between the two is betwen port talbot and bridgend.. cant see that happening.. it makes you think when governments chat about super hospitals and mergers, merging schools and the like.. mergers have alays been happening throughout history somewhere along the lines, but usually on smaller scales.

its still daft to me what i said, that a liverpool or crewe worker would have to travel to warrington, and end up going back there, then back to warrington, then back home. that would seriously p155 people off i tell thee.

That is of course if RM are relying solely on their own capability - I would imagine they have already figured what proportion of work can be carried out by TNT in their establishments.

[johnsouthwales]