Falling mail volumes

axeman · Post by **axeman** » 11 Mar 2009, 21:58

so early shift processing is nothing to do with the cesestation of the early collection i take it ? if you move the goalposts anything is possible

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 11 Mar 2009, 22:01

How about this for an argument.......Mail Volumes are falling and DSA is increasing so how come sales are UP?

axeman · Post by **axeman** » 11 Mar 2009, 22:08

As paul daniels once said ....it's majic

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 11 Mar 2009, 22:11

I don't doubt that there is a lot of work done in the MC's, but that is a pretty stupid statement. By your own view point, mail volumes are falling, therefore you have less work to do.

"Stupid?" If my job involved shifting mail around, I'd say you were right, but as it doesn't, you're not, so it isn't.

From the point of view of a delivery postie, the amount of work has increased whether volumes have fallen or not

That is probably true, but the amount of work you do was never the point under discussion.

Next.....

so early shift processing is nothing to do with the cesestation of the early collection i take it ? if you move the goalposts anything is possible

No

it hasn't anything to do with it.

because-----

Early shifts don't process collection mail

Next..................

How about this for an argument.......Mail Volumes are falling and DSA is increasing so how come sales are UP?

What sales? Stamps? Parcel tape? What?

So no, not much of an "argument" at all...

Next................................

As paul daniels once said ....it's majic

Or "magic?"

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 11 Mar 2009, 22:21

Re: Falling mail volumes

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 12 Mar 2009, 14:51

Oh dear, another two who talk the talk, but that's as far as it goes.

Phoned POMC yet, Links......

It would be more beneficial than hanging off other's bruised egos, anyway.

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 12 Mar 2009, 16:23

linkinpark wrote:
Tman wrote:Oh dear, another two who talk the talk, but that's as far as it goes.

Phoned POMC yet, Links......

It would be more beneficial than hanging off other's bruised egos, anyway.
Looks like i aint the only one that likes the sauce! LOL. Aint a clue what your yabbering on about! LOL. Some things still make me laugh though. LOL. Must be still LOLLING about a tman. Changing the subject a bit but where we have falling mail volumes and less mail to take up less garden paths how comes we see more dog POOH or am i trying to mix things up a bit?

What ever happened to white dog pooh

Maybe if we found out where that went then we could answer the question of falling or increasing mail volumes.

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Tman · Post by **Tman** » 12 Mar 2009, 17:07

Looks like i aint the only one that likes the sauce! LOL. Aint a clue what your yabbering on about! LOL.

Oh I'm sure you do, but a little bit of the old non-comprendi is always a good standby for when any sort of reasonable answer escapes you....

Hi ya postie_jim not a million miles from you! PO area. There you go, a little reminder.

Go on, ring POMC and find out the bitter truth about mail volumes. You can't play the eejit card all your life..

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Mar 2009, 17:22

Royalmail would only count the volumes on which it can gain a return (ie profit it will not count it's losses on the DSA mail volumes) since it has lossed over 40% some say 50% or more of it's profitable business the top 100 customers in the land!. It surprises me not that they will use this against the humble postworker of this land and the fiddle must be propagated by its minions of false truths and humbug by the management team as they stand more to gain out of this deceit and duplicity by the senior management!. Is it not the fact that royalmail management have their bonuses enhanced into their pensions and is it not a fact that the average manager has TEN TIMES the bonus of the postalworker he/she oversees and is it not a fact that management are overstaffed to the rafters!. I now await your responce upon fact and not fiction.

pinstripe · Post by **pinstripe** » 12 Mar 2009, 18:27

OK, let's talk about the volume of mail, not packets, recordeds or specials, just letters and flats.
In my office we went onto SDD 5 years ago and it took me 75 minutes to throw off my delivery (just letters and flats). Now, with DPG my round has had an increase of delivery points by approx 10% (416, rising to 458 now), therefore assuming that I work at the same average rate as I did 5 years ago, the throwing off should take me 75 minutes plus 10% (for the DPG) again assuming an 'average' number of letters for these addresses. So it should take me 82.5 minutes. However, as mail volumes are falling by 2% per year, year on year, then I should now have 10% less mail than I did 5 years ago, therefore the DPG is negated, so my throwing off time should be back at 75 minutes. I have been on the same round for all this time. I was tested shortly after SDD (which is how I know it took me 75 minutes) I was tested last year and it took me 87 minutes (both tests were on a Wednesday). I timed myself this morning and it took me 90 minutes.
My question is, why is it taking me longer to throw off? If anything I should be throwing off quicker with experience and less mail. I'm not swinging the lead and neither my managers nor my colleagues have any complaints about my work.
So explain that.

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 12 Mar 2009, 19:25

now await your responce upon fact and not fiction

.

That's an easy one. Mail volumes are down by measure you care to mention. Feel free to bring in pensions, management, falsehoods and whatever other factors you think might have some bearing on it, but it still doesn't change things for the better.

Far better than the endless drip-drip-drip of "you're wrong", why not give some reasons (OK then, ANY reason) why UK mail volumes would be steady when every indicator says different?

Note---- "my bag's heavier now" is not an answer.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Mar 2009, 19:35

My bag is not any heavier it always weighs 16kg but there is more than one or two is your burden any heavier or have you forsaken all your soul and chose to lead a blinked life on the dark side!.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 12 Mar 2009, 19:38

Tman wrote:
now await your responce upon fact and not fiction
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That's an easy one. Mail volumes are down by measure you care to mention. Feel free to bring in pensions, management, falsehoods and whatever other factors you think might have some bearing on it, but it still doesn't change things for the better.

Far better than the endless drip-drip-drip of "you're wrong", why not give some reasons (OK then, ANY reason) why UK mail volumes would be steady when every indicator says different?

Note---- "my bag's heavier now" is not an answer.

Same old same old Tman - now lets look at RMs latest masterplan, which falls neatly into the category of falling mail volumes, for each 5% of mail volume down each office is to lapse duties, now then here is the conundrum:

This delivery has 500 drops, each drop receives 2 items of mail, except when the volume drops by 5%. which is 5 x 5 or 25 letters - now apart from the fact that the 5% couldn't possibly be equal across all the deliveries and the delivery would still be visiting 500 houses but in the case of 25 houses would only be delivering 1 item of mail instead of two, how would that equate to lapsing duties? So you see falling mail volumes allow RM to massage the traffic volumes to suit their ends.

But I'm sure there is another explanation.

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 12 Mar 2009, 20:52

Same old DVB, same old Pinstripe and for all I know, same old K979 too.

I can't answer your queries; that's DO postie stuff, but I can see the evidence of my own eyes in my world, and that says the machines aren't running for as long or processing as much mail.
Go on as much as you like about walks, flats, DPGs and all the other jargon, nothing to do with stamped mail, or DSA, or D2D, simply we (RM ) aren't handling any thing like as much mail as we were.

[Incidentally, the CWU have stated often enough mail volumes are dropping, so are they in on the Grand Conspiracy too?]

Agency staff are being laid off in my MC, and machinery is standing idle where it used to process virtually 24 hours a day, and it's getting to the point where serious changes are being considered now.
You want to harp on about how busy you still are, and dark sides, and how it's all part of some RM conspiracy then fine, carry on, but there's already hard decisions being made regarding your MC colleagues and it'll be no consolation to them if you ignore the call because it's all RM crap, and no consolation to you DO staff if the MC boys bump you out of your best jobs.

How much longer are you DO staff going to ignore the warning signs?

although Links is exempted from that question..

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 12 Mar 2009, 21:10

"best jobs"

Someone's in for a big surprise