EVR

[madelin4]

What is the talk of this ? How many and what people would they be giving it to, i.e. senior posties or younger posties? Will they evr those who are cheaper or do you have to be over 50??

[shimmyrule]

Madelin.

Seniority is how it works, google or search here for mtsf 2007 agreement, its all in there.
Some bosses are trying to offload part timers first, cause its cheap, but its officially done on seniority.
Have a looksee and you will find it.

[POSTMAN]

Does this help.

VRs are covered by the MTSF agreement. The fact is if there is a surplus and the need for VRS then the first indivudals who get asked is those ageed between 55 and 65 in senioirity order. Then after it is based on seniority order down but with a cap on those who are ageed between 50 and 54 who may leave on the basis on TMA by mutural concent. If this still does not remove the surplus then MTSF allows those who are aged between 50 and 54 to leave on full terms albeit it Royal Mail have started to stop this happening on the grounds of cost.

There is no agreement to allow just part time staff to go in front of full time. The only way this should happen if the revision is purely based on part timers. If it based on both full time and part time staff then management are breaking the National Agreement and a disagreement should be raised at Area Level and if neccesary to Divisonal level who can refer a point of principle to our repsective headquaters.

[stokes11eg]

Does this help.

VRs are covered by the MTSF agreement. The fact is if there is a surplus and the need for VRS then the first indivudals who get asked is those ageed between 55 and 65 in senioirity order. Then after it is based on seniority order down but with a cap on those who are ageed between 50 and 54 who may leave on the basis on TMA by mutural concent. If this still does not remove the surplus then MTSF allows those who are aged between 50 and 54 to leave on full terms albeit it Royal Mail have started to stop this happening on the grounds of cost.

There is no agreement to allow just part time staff to go in front of full time. The only way this should happen if the revision is purely based on part timers. If it based on both full time and part time staff then management are breaking the National Agreement and a disagreement should be raised at Area Level and if neccesary to Divisonal level who can refer a point of principle to our repsective headquaters.

I am worried that many people will find themselves forcibly retired---with the constant, shall we say, re-iteration
by R.M that the 'work' levels are falling--the suggestion is that the accompanying jobs will no longer be tenable,and hey--all of a sudden they can force redundancies upon people--with no doubt. a lessesr pay off.

[madelin4]

Does this help.

VRs are covered by the MTSF agreement. The fact is if there is a surplus and the need for VRS then the first indivudals who get asked is those ageed between 55 and 65 in senioirity order. Then after it is based on seniority order down but with a cap on those who are ageed between 50 and 54 who may leave on the basis on TMA by mutural concent. If this still does not remove the surplus then MTSF allows those who are aged between 50 and 54 to leave on full terms albeit it Royal Mail have started to stop this happening on the grounds of cost.

There is no agreement to allow just part time staff to go in front of full time. The only way this should happen if the revision is purely based on part timers. If it based on both full time and part time staff then management are breaking the National Agreement and a disagreement should be raised at Area Level and if neccesary to Divisonal level who can refer a point of principle to our repsective headquaters.

I am worried that many people will find themselves forcibly retired---with the constant, shall we say, re-iteration
by R.M that the 'work' levels are falling--the suggestion is that the accompanying jobs will no longer be tenable,and hey--all of a sudden they can force redundancies upon people--with no doubt. a lessesr pay off.

May be right Stokes, lets hope not but.

[lekker]

I can't speak for all offices but we have more people wanting VR than we can get. For myself, being over 60 and with 35 years service it can't come too soon so i reckon you youngsters will for the time being still have a job in RM. But I think you are right to be concerned that they will try some time to lessen the redundancy package. Also I think you will see a rise in conduct code and attendance procedure cases leading to dismissal

[stokes11eg]

I can't speak for all offices but we have more people wanting VR than we can get. For myself, being over 60 and with 35 years service it can't come too soon so i reckon you youngsters will for the time being still have a job in RM. But I think you are right to be concerned that they will try some time to lessen the redundancy package. Also I think you will see a rise in conduct code and attendance procedure cases leading to dismissal

thanks for suggesting I'm a young one! Like yourself I'mnearly out the door on age grounds-And I agree with your sentiments about a rise in conduct code issues--I've seen it happen many times in this job when they want to reduce numberes.

[Puppetmaster]

I have a big problem with EVR AND THE CWU having seen how it works in my office,the old guys get a nice payoff,the younger ones land up working twice as hard for no extra,whille the senior guys who did not take EVR carry on the same in their nice cushy jobs laughing at us trying to get our job done,meal breaks and official start times and SA only for the CHOSEN ONES.

[lekker]

Puppetmaster my son. you have a very jaundiced view. I'm sorry I've been in the job a long time, I'm sorry I want to go, I'm sorry I will get a larger payoff simply because I've put in over 30 years. BUT before you start criticising maybe you should look at what you and your other "youngsters" do in this job. i've seen it and to be honest I'm not impressed. you seem to want to destroy your own jobs. well , good luck to you

[brothermagrew]

Puppetmaster my son. you have a very jaundiced view. I'm sorry I've been in the job a long time, I'm sorry I want to go, I'm sorry I will get a larger payoff simply because I've put in over 30 years. BUT before you start criticising maybe you should look at what you and your other "youngsters" do in this job. i've seen it and to be honest I'm not impressed. you seem to want to destroy your own jobs. well , good luck to you

Well said brother lekker, and there is no need to be sorry or apologetic to anybody, you've done your time and walked the walk, RESPECT to the oldies of which I am one. Time the young uns learned that not everything operates in the fast lane.

[BIG AL]

Puppetmaster my son. you have a very jaundiced view. I'm sorry I've been in the job a long time, I'm sorry I want to go, I'm sorry I will get a larger payoff simply because I've put in over 30 years. BUT before you start criticising maybe you should look at what you and your other "youngsters" do in this job. i've seen it and to be honest I'm not impressed. you seem to want to destroy your own jobs. well , good luck to you

Well said brother lekker, and there is no need to be sorry or apologetic to anybody, you've done your time and walked the walk, RESPECT to the oldies of which I am one. Time the young uns learned that not everything operates in the fast lane.

Well said, from another 'oldie'.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Puppetmaster my son. you have a very jaundiced view. I'm sorry I've been in the job a long time, I'm sorry I want to go, I'm sorry I will get a larger payoff simply because I've put in over 30 years. BUT before you start criticising maybe you should look at what you and your other "youngsters" do in this job. i've seen it and to be honest I'm not impressed. you seem to want to destroy your own jobs. well , good luck to you

Well said brother lekker, and there is no need to be sorry or apologetic to anybody, you've done your time and walked the walk, RESPECT to the oldies of which I am one. Time the young uns learned that not everything operates in the fast lane.

Well said, from another 'oldie'.

and from a less than 10 years 47 year old Newbie.

Although to be fair I cannot understand people who see an US and THEM between workers doing the same job. Especially when we should be united again the real THEM ( :cfo :mfo :lfo )

[johnnyp]

I will have some of that as well 23 years this April and still going strong

[lekker]

not unless you can get the branch to agree pegasus johnny P

[johnny_fartpants]

Puppetmaster my son. you have a very jaundiced view. I'm sorry I've been in the job a long time, I'm sorry I want to go, I'm sorry I will get a larger payoff simply because I've put in over 30 years. BUT before you start criticising maybe you should look at what you and your other "youngsters" do in this job. i've seen it and to be honest I'm not impressed. you seem to want to destroy your own jobs. well , good luck to you

Here Here

we have "youngsters as well at ours and they have no backbone at all.