Can Managers patrol in own cars ?

[marky]

I think its up to the manager if he wants to use his own car to drive about. i know some posties ring the police when I,B are hiding in the shadows but never heard it getting done on a manager.

it has been known that sometimes when managers park their cars say like to go into a shop or some where? their nice cars can get scraped very badly by careless people from boot to bonnet

[DGP1]

I think its up to the manager if he wants to use his own car to drive about. i know some posties ring the police when I,B are hiding in the shadows but never heard it getting done on a manager.

it has been known that sometimes when managers park their cars say like to go into a shop or some where? their nice cars can get scraped very badly by careless people from boot to bonnet

Is that the reason they all drive around in crap cars I mean, even the staff have better cars than most of the managers.

[brothermagrew]

Both managers where sat in a private car watching the postie's house when they saw his car outside, they didn't see him at all.
Am I right in saying that the bond that RM give to posties who use private vehicles does not cover RM managers especially if they also carry a passenger ?

On the strength of LTB 919/07 reproduced below for your benefit it would appear that you are right, although this LTB makes reference to Managers using Private Cars whilst out on delivery. Not I hasten to add just sat in a private car watching a postie's house.

Letter to Branches
No. 919/07
Ref: 300.26
Date: 15th October 2007

To: Branches with POSTAL Members

Dear Colleague

Use of Private Cars on Delivery By Managers

We have been made aware of advice that has been issued by Royal Mail which confirms that the insurance bond which is sometimes provided to CWU members who use their own cars on delivery is not applicable for managers who use their cars for such purposes, either during industrial action periods or at other times.

Therefore unless they have private business insurance to convey mail, they will be driving without insurance. We would suggest that if our members become aware of Managers operating in this way either while industrial action is taking place or otherwise, they should draw the attention of police to the likelihood that an offence is being committed so that they can take the necessary action to stop it.

Bob Gibson

[postghost]

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[brothermagrew]

Not sure is the truthful answer but then again on reflection, you may say 'spying' they may say it as a 'fact finding exercise' a grey area indeed!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

They may even say its part of their "Duty of Care".

I have to say that Managers have spied on me and I personally don't mind it, perhaps thats because in some of my jobs, particularly call centres, you are watched and graded all the time. In some places they keep a check on how long you are in the toilet and how many calls you take per hour.

The overview by management at RM is at a distance and nothing to be worried about IMHO. After all we all hear complaints of theft from the public on here and in the press, how else are they going to catch them or even just become suspicious. Managers can watch me any time they want, I won't be doing anything wrong so I have nothing to hide. However, when I spot them I diarise all the details - just in case.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Also if they are watching you from their own cars its not very covert is it,. Most managers will be aware that most posties will know what their car looks like wouldn't they. If they were spying for nefarious purposes wouldn't they use a hire car or get a manager from another area to do they spying. Just a thought.

[madelin4]

what is the worst they can do if they find someone who is finish early that does not need to return to the delivery office and saves 20 mins? also what if the reason the person saves 15 or 20 mins uses car? yes answer is no using car but can they use that against you?

[J]

Ring the coppers up when you spot one tailing you and say that theres a dodgy looking geezer following me and I think he`s after my mailbag.

NICE ONE.... ha ha ha ha.. for personal opinion, if the manager lets the office know that he's doing 'a patrol' then he's informed you about what his intentions are, but if he ain't informed you or other staff then I think you can then use the mails integrity rules to your own advantage. When the IB need to 'spy' on staff in mail centres, there's procedures that they have to go through to show just cause and home office applications have to be made.

Like I say this is personal opinion and I ain't sure of the rules. If you do see your manager spying, simply walk up to him/her and ask them what they are doing. Gaffers don't like being answerable to staff and doing this would p**s them off good style.

[madelin4]

So if the dom is doing a check he must stand up and tell the office he is doing one even tho it may be only 5-6 per day? that would mean that all members of staff will be aware what dom is doing when they see him? Does anyone know the procedures a dom must follow to do this ?

[DOM]

So if the dom is doing a check he must stand up and tell the office he is doing one even tho it may be only 5-6 per day? that would mean that all members of staff will be aware what dom is doing when they see him? Does anyone know the procedures a dom must follow to do this ?

If the DOM is 'doing a check', he / she is managing you........he / she does not have to stand up and tell the office.

[axeman]

Sorry 'dom' but that would be in breach of the human rights act ...every one has the right to privacy at work just look up the act and read it. It might well be fed to you from the managers above you but that doesn't mean it's lawful and as we all know royal fail thinks it self above the law in many respects

[Lounge Lizard]

Ring the coppers up when you spot one tailing you and say that theres a dodgy looking geezer following me and I think he`s after my mailbag.

And the police will say they will investigate it as soon as they can, which will amount to interviewing you several hours later if they're not too busy.

[DGP1]

Ring the coppers up when you spot one tailing you and say that theres a dodgy looking geezer following me and I think he`s after my mailbag.

And the police will say they will investigate it as soon as they can, which will amount to interviewing you several hours later if they're not too busy.

Not true, one of the guys in my office reported a car following him and the police turned up in a few minutes to investigate (it was IB by the way).

[madelin4]

Sorry 'dom' but that would be in breach of the human rights act ...every one has the right to privacy at work just look up the act and read it. It might well be fed to you from the managers above you but that doesn't mean it's lawful and as we all know royal fail thinks it self above the law in many respects

fully agree here.