would you sell out,

[Big Daz]

To clarify Marky

Are you saying that as soon as someone takes on a CWU job higher up the chain, they are automatically on the gravy train?

How does one not jump on the gravy train but take on a higher up union job?

[dvbuk55]

To clarify Marky

Are you saying that as soon as someone takes on a CWU job higher up the chain, they are automatically on the gravy train?

How does one not jump on the gravy train but take on a higher up union job?

Someone else has posted a relevant answer in that no one denies there are good reps BUT it has become increasingly obvious that many reps at all levels in all disciplines are, how can I put this, rather in amour of the position rather than the interests of the membership, when personal interest outweighs honest endeavour then you're on the gravy train. Some see these jobs as merely a stepping stone to a "higher up" union job for their own self aggrandisement and make decisions based on whether or not it has a personal advantage not an advantage to all - they're getting on the bisto choo choo too. Can you honestly say that you believe that some of the decisions taken by "higher ups" in recent years have been beneficial to the membership?

[Big Daz]

In answer to your question, many times the CWU postal mbrs get what they vote for.


However some things we havent/never voted on such as that poxy savings for payrise aggrement that netted us £3 a week payrise 2006 was it? Biggest let down ever!!!

Take flexibilty impact on my office virtually unoticeable, yet other offices its had a big impact. How do i judge if It was a good decison to recomend it to the mbrs? Do I base it on my office or the nightmare stories I read on RMC?

[guvenor]

do reps have to be reelected if so after how long
want to give ours a little push in right direction

[Big Daz]

Yes every 12 months whenever in that period your branch holds it elections.

You would need to ensure your current rep is not the only canidate for local rep otherwise he or she will be relected unopposed for a further 12 months.


H & S reps are elected every 2 years.

[marky]

To clarify Marky

Are you saying that as soon as someone takes on a CWU job higher up the chain, they are automatically on the gravy train?

How does one not jump on the gravy train but take on a higher up union job?

no big daz im not, but theres no point posting what i mean, postman will lock it.

[Big Daz]

Then PM your post to the mods first so you can say as much as possible without breaking site rules?

[parky]

Someone else has posted a relevant answer in that no one denies there are good reps BUT it has become increasingly obvious that many reps at all levels in all disciplines are, how can I put this, rather in amour of the position rather than the interests of the membership, when personal interest outweighs honest endeavour then you're on the gravy train. Some see these jobs as merely a stepping stone to a "higher up" union job for their own self aggrandisement and make decisions based on whether or not it has a personal advantage not an advantage to all - they're getting on the bisto choo choo too. Can you honestly say that you believe that some of the decisions taken by "higher ups" in recent years have been beneficial to the membership?

This is so right! but why do Div Reps etc. never change? they are elected after all...

[POSTMAN]

no big daz im not, but theres no point posting what i mean, postman will lock it.

You're posting the same suff all the time,you seem to hope that all of us will march down to HQ and give Billy and the boys what for.
This is not the place to air ' your kind' of grivences and you have been warned before,and i have explained that i have been threatened with legal action because of you and the NI num1 branch members postings.
Enough is enough,get your branch members together and do something about it elsewhere.

[Big Daz]

This is so right! but why do Div Reps etc. never change? they are elected after all...

Thats a easy question, either they get elected unopposed for various reasons or they simply win the vote when the position is contested.

[andy2007]

This is so right! but why do Div Reps etc. never change? they are elected after all...

Thats a easy question, either they get elected unopposed for various reasons or they simply win the vote when the position is contested.

One of the problems with that, is that you need someone with some experience, to contest Divisional Reps. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to do a good job, if they win. Most of the people who complain (in my experience), aren't even Local Reps yet. So it would be pointless standing for the Post.

So the problem is: What can we do about it, if we can't convince the best Reps to stand for Divisional Rep?
You could stand against a good Rep.. Assuming you could win (unlikley if they are good), you would have to try to fill his/her shoes. Would anyone risk that?
I wouldn't. I have good Reps, and wouldn't want them to be replaced, just for someone to get enough experience to be ready for a more senior position. That would be crazy!

So the question remains: What other route (if any), remains for people to try to influence a "bad" Divisional Rep?

[parky]

So the problem is: What can we do about it, if we can't convince the best Reps to stand for Divisional Rep?
You could stand against a good Rep.. Assuming you could win (unlikley if they are good), you would have to try to fill his/her shoes. Would anyone risk that?
I wouldn't. I have good Reps, and wouldn't want them to be replaced, just for someone to get enough experience to be ready for a more senior position. That would be crazy!

So the question remains: What other route (if any), remains for people to try to influence a "bad" Divisional Rep?[/quote][/quote]

So if there are so many good DRs, and nobodies in a strong enough position to stand, then why is the union so weak?
"if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got"

[AndyK]

This is so right! but why do Div Reps etc. never change? they are elected after all...

Div reps have had no elections for years now this is because of RM do not want div reps so wouldn't regonize any new elections of div reps, this clearly should not continue, but what do you do? Div reps right now are in the job and can't be removed even though some are useless. (Some however are spot on).

[andy2007]

So the problem is: What can we do about it, if we can't convince the best Reps to stand for Divisional Rep?
You could stand against a good Rep.. Assuming you could win (unlikley if they are good), you would have to try to fill his/her shoes. Would anyone risk that?
I wouldn't. I have good Reps, and wouldn't want them to be replaced, just for someone to get enough experience to be ready for a more senior position. That would be crazy!

So the question remains: What other route (if any), remains for people to try to influence a "bad" Divisional Rep?

So if there are so many good DRs, and nobodies in a strong enough position to stand, then why is the union so weak?
"if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got"

Who said anything about having nobodies in a position to stand?
What I SAID was: That unless you can convince an experienced Rep to stand against them. Then there's no-one in a position to do a good job, available. I did suggest that you could stand against a Local Rep, to get experience (if you won). But that would mean loosing a good Rep, just to get experience.

A better idea, would be for someone to stand against a poor Local Rep. Then, you wouldn't be loosing anything by replacing him/her. But then, who would carry on, once you go on to "bigger and better" things?
The bad Rep?

There must be something else we can do, surely! Particularly for those of us who already have good Local Reps.

Then again. This is just my opinion.

[Big Daz]

Sub rep is a good place to start do some courses so you have a good understanding of CWU/RM aggrements/procedures. Gain some experience by covering reps leave and 12 months later put in for rep and give the mbrs choice? We all want a good rep but as a rank and file member it is nice to have a choice now and again. As a rep its nice to be elected because the membership chose me rather than I got in due to being the only person to stand.