investigations branch

[jaylime]

im interested to hear if anyone has any storys about the ib i have a few which i will post another time cheers j

[johnnyp]

im interested to hear if anyone has any storys about the ib i have a few which i will post another time cheers j

Before you do could you have a read through our rules just to make sure you dont break them Many thanks.

[lekker]

With regard to what exactly? I've dealt with them on a number of occasions and found them to be professional if a bit misguided john.

[andy2007]

I've only dealt with them personally, once. And I've already told the story a couple of times, so I won't bore you with it again. But I have a great deal of respect for them. They're not perfect. No-one is. But they were catching criminals, long before Sir Robert Peel, even thought of setting up the Police.

[discoinferno]

Anything you wannna know about the RM IB i will tell you,my friend ex postie had dealing with these people in court and was convicted based on their inquiries..it took them 15 months to get him in court on trial because of legal issues with thier powers of arrest etc...and guess what?....none of it was in papers etc..ask away i have everything with regards to the case ,taped interviews...all evidence.everything you need to know including your rights....my friend was shafted by these people..however it matters not. you ask and i will tell. i have all info on PACE ,EVERYTHING THEY DONT WANT YOU POSTIES TO KNOW

[POSTMAN]

Anything you wannna know about the RM IB i will tell you,my friend ex postie had dealing with these people in court and was convicted based on their inquiries..it took them 15 months to get him in court on trial because of legal issues with thier powers of arrest etc...and guess what?....none of it was in papers etc..ask away i have everything with regards to the case ,taped interviews...all evidence.everything you need to know including your rights....my friend was shafted by these people..however it matters not. you ask and i will tell. i have all info on PACE ,EVERYTHING THEY DONT WANT YOU POSTIES TO KNOW

You're talking about ONE case,so you can't generalise.

[discoinferno]

Anything you wannna know about the RM IB i will tell you,my friend ex postie had dealing with these people in court and was convicted based on their inquiries..it took them 15 months to get him in court on trial because of legal issues with thier powers of arrest etc...and guess what?....none of it was in papers etc..ask away i have everything with regards to the case ,taped interviews...all evidence.everything you need to know including your rights....my friend was shafted by these people..however it matters not. you ask and i will tell. i have all info on PACE ,EVERYTHING THEY DONT WANT YOU POSTIES TO KNOW

You're talking about ONE case,so you can't generalise.

Make no difference one case or not, if its a criminal inquiry the rukes are the same.....
Police and criminal evidence act
citizen arrest
criminal justices act
postal service act

You name it and on behalf of my friend if you have dealing wiv these people come for some advice..trust me WE KNOW ALL YOU DONT....AND THEY WONT WANT YOU TO KNOW MY FRIENDS INVESTIGATION COST OVER SIX GRAND IN THE END..COS HE FOUGHT THME TOOTH AND NAIL..OVER A YEAR TO CONVICT AND HES APPEALING

[discoinferno]

im interested to hear if anyone has any storys about the ib i have a few which i will post another time cheers j

POST THEM M8 AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME INSIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CANT DO...BELIEVE YOU AND ME YOU WILL BE SUPRISED AS THEY ARE JUST CIVILLIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

im interested to hear if anyone has any storys about the ib i have a few which i will post another time cheers j

POST THEM M8 AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME INSIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CANT DO...BELIEVE YOU AND ME YOU WILL BE SUPRISED AS THEY ARE JUST CIVILLIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please turn off your caps - its internet speak for shouting.

Also most people working in RM should already know that they have Investigative powers only, they are not allowed to enter your property or search you without your permission, but they can make a citizens arrest and wait for the real police to turn up.

[discoinferno]

im interested to hear if anyone has any storys about the ib i have a few which i will post another time cheers j

POST THEM M8 AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME INSIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CANT DO...BELIEVE YOU AND ME YOU WILL BE SUPRISED AS THEY ARE JUST CIVILLIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ps not shoutin, and i have read the rules, i will post based on factual infromation, from the home office shoulkd anyone need advice on the royal mail IB , this post and others are not intended to disrupt the Uk postal services and its internal proceedures , only to advise what your rights are and what you will face should you be dealt with by internal employees of the royal mail..i await any questions..Friend of an ex postie..TA

[andy2007]

You're right about them being Civilians. But that doesn't mean that they aren't good at what they do. I've never been a suspect, so I don't know what they're like, when you're on the recieving end. But I was impressed with them, when I had dealings with them.

[discoinferno]

im interested to hear if anyone has any storys about the ib i have a few which i will post another time cheers j

POST THEM M8 AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME INSIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CANT DO...BELIEVE YOU AND ME YOU WILL BE SUPRISED AS THEY ARE JUST CIVILLIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please turn off your caps - its internet speak for shouting.

Also most people working in RM should already know that they have Investigative powers only, they are not allowed to enter your property or search you without your permission, but they can make a citizens arrest and wait for the real police to turn up.

They have investigating powers of that of any one whom is given license to do so for thier employment however yor rights are different when dealing with employees / civillians they are in fact the same as ordinary store detective.
As for citizens arrest, this action can only be carried out by the arresting person should they have WITNESSED a crime being undertaken.They CANNOT arrest you under suspicion .YOU have the right to walk away ....... see section 24 of the PACE .
IB cannot carry out section 18 searches the same as a police officer they CANNOT SEARCH YOU/YOUR CAR / YOUR HOME WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION. if this happens you may refuse and still walk away, they MUST STATE TO YOU THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CITIZENS ARREST.
Should you find yourself in this situation my advice is DO NOT SAY A SINGLE WORD you will incriminate yourself as the IB will note down waht you say and produce this as evidence .
DO NOT AGREE TO A TAPED INTERVIEW WITH IB employees.insist it is carried out by police officers,IB can interview you but they need official permission to interview you from the police ,again under the PACE act,in this situation enforce your rights to remain silent SAY NOTHING .you will incriminate yourself....say nothin save it for court...
Any IB questions will be used to incriminate you so silence is the key,however should you find yourself making any informal admissions whilst under interview you may retract them under section 9 and 10 of the criminal justice act in court , so best stay quiet for the interview by police or IB.
Should you make FORMAL admissions then you ,your counsel present should SIGN THEM prsonally i would avoid this.
The postal service act that deals with wilful delay of mail section 83 (6) , should you deny wilfully delaying mail ,the postal services act states that you carried out this action with forsight without good reason, if you have a genuine reason for mail being delayed , the act is your get out clause....READ IT PROPERLY
insist that your court case is heard in crown court AVOID MAGISTRATES COURTS IF YOU GO TO TRIAL.aquittal rates in front of a jury are far higher than case hardened JPs..trust me on that one.You only need to cast reasonable doubt on one member of the jury that your story is founded and you HAVE GOOD REASON FOR MAIL DELAY to be aquitted , a magistrate will not hear your story fully a jury HAVE TO . wILL POST MORE COS THERE IS LOADS.....TA

[andy2007]

Thanks for that info, Discoinferno. I already knew that IB can only perform a Citizens Arrest, and that they had to witness the Crime, in order to do so. I also knew that they can't perform a search, without your consent. But what I DIDN'T know. Was that you can refuse to be interviewed by them. And insist on the Police doing it, instead. That's good to know, for anyone who has reservations about dealing with IB.

[islfor]

A friend of a friend told me that due to the fines RM are receiving from Postcom and also the bad media surrounding Mail integrity.
The I.B. have had there backsides kicked recently for not doing enough on theft etc. 'You cannot catch thiefs sitting in office waiting for it to happen, you should be out there stopping it happening' !! was one comment.
Thats why we see more of them out on the streets watching how we operate (managers know this and dont tell us anything because if they did, all the good will of the staff would stop as they would need to abide by the Mail Integrity they have signed in WTL sessions - We all know by doing the job properly you would claim O/T on daily basis or cut-off)
Also if we do lose our jobs by not doing the job properly they regard it as a saving.

[Big Daz]

I can do the job properley and get done within my time most days but thursdays are a right nightmare.