Walk Sequencing back on ???

[majeed]

so if they save each walk 10 mins a day the potential savings for my office are around £30k a year in reduced / redeployed hours, be interesting to know how much they cost to buy and maintain, as it seems a major investment for not a lot of benefit. Interesting that Hooper says we are antiquated in the way we do things but didn't actaully say these machines save our foreign cousins any money.

The savings are not what its about! Europe have said Liberalisation is about standardising and modernising the postal systems and giving value to the customers! So taking the last point first the customers they talk about are the big corporations ( the same ones that set policy for how we are to live our lives and pay for it whilst they rake it in) not the recipients i.e. our local people. Standardising is easy you bring the postal systems DOWN to the lowest level you can get away with that the paymasters the Corporations are willing to pay for and last and very least the recipients that you plan on rippi-- eh em sorry serving. Now comes the clever bit, you buy in new machines built by those same Corporations at the cost of billions and billions throughout Europe to sequence mail that you are already taking a loss on like DSA from those same Corporations because your unelected quango put in by the governments to look after the corporations interests sets the price and wont allow state owned postal services to compete! Don’t forget you need to break the system in order for them to fix it at a huge profit for those same Corporations.
For those same Corporations the happy and very expected side affect is an erosion of Europe wide terms pay and conditions and you end up with a very happy workforce like one or two of the posters here on RMC . So the 30k you mention is nothing it don’t matter what matters is the profit made from the great unwashed whilst keeping them down in the gutter and owing everything they need to survive from gas water petrol public transport waste ect ect to those huge Corporations who don’t give a sh*t if you live or die unless they can make a profit from it and that all our Governments serve so very well.

God save the Queen!

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[quote="TrueBlueTerrier"]No all walk sequencing does is prepare your coded bundles so they run as per your frame.

ie your Bundle will come :

1 High Street
3 High Street
5 High Street
7 High Street
2 High Street
4 High Street
1 Back High Street
2 Back High Street
........continuing till the end of your walk

You still have to put them in the frame but the theory is you wont be stretching from Top part of frame to bottom and back again,
then the middlle part, back to the bottom etc, it should save time.

Surely having to take the bundles and put them into the sorting frame is double handling..... will they not just be bundled up out of the sequenced boxes and straight into your delivery pouch.... and off you go on delivery.

If this is the case I can see them saving a lot more than 20 minutes that has been mentioned.

[majeed]

No all walk sequencing does is prepare your coded bundles so they run as per your frame.

ie your Bundle will come :

1 High Street
3 High Street
5 High Street
7 High Street
2 High Street
4 High Street
1 Back High Street
2 Back High Street
........continuing till the end of your walk

You still have to put them in the frame but the theory is you wont be stretching from Top part of frame to bottom and back again,
then the middlle part, back to the bottom etc, it should save time.

Surely having to take the bundles and put them into the sorting frame is double handling..... will they not just be bundled up out of the sequenced boxes and straight into your delivery pouch.... and off you go on delivery.

If this is the case I can see them saving a lot more than 20 minutes that has been mentioned.

I thought about that: the answer is no. You still need to check for missorts and also feed-in the mail that couldn't be sorted by the machines, such as irregular shapes and sizes or incorrectly addressed mail, i.e. no street number, incorrectly spelt address, incorrect postcode, illegible address and so forth.

[ar26]

In thoery yes you would be able to put it straight in your bag, but you'd still have flats and small packets to put into that bundle and don't forget your d2d target of 20% per day and redirections to check for. Plus our office has just taken delivery of 3 -4 pallets of new frame fittings so if we no longer needed frames why would Royal Mail waste money buying nice new shiny ones ( oh I forgot we work for Royal Mail). I would imagine that once tried tested and trusted etc it prob would be straight off the machines & into your bag but I think we'll be a few years before we get to that stage.

[majeed]

In thoery yes you would be able to put it straight in your bag, but you'd still have flats and small packets to put into that bundle and don't forget your d2d target of 20% per day and redirections to check for. Plus our office has just taken delivery of 3 -4 pallets of new frame fittings so if we no longer needed frames why would Royal Mail waste money buying nice new shiny ones ( oh I forgot we work for Royal Mail). I would imagine that once tried tested and trusted etc it prob would be straight off the machines & into your bag but I think we'll be a few years before we get to that stage.

Plus, we still need a manual system, in case the automated system fails. Which would take you back to my method of re-sorting incoming mail for a walk into streets, before throwing-it into a frame.

[not me]

ie yet to see this but excuse me if its been posted

how do these machines handle stairs? more specifically tenement stairs eg 1f1,2f1,GFR,2FR or no flat number

The delivery person provides details of the walk which are entered into a programme (A Plus) and the machine puts all letters into the correct sequence for delivery.

thats great but over 50% of my mail has the wrong flat number/no flat number

[mailman71]

the biggest problem will be that you will have to wait for all the mail to go through the machines so they will not need the posties to start till later so the 7am starts will be back on.
who wants to work till 3pm on a saturday for instance not me.

[Darren Bent]

So why the later delivery as they could do collection one hour earlier rather than make us wait.

[axeman]

Plus, we still need a manual system, in case the automated system fails. Which would take you back to my method of re-sorting incoming mail for a walk into streets, before throwing-it into a frame.

A certain person will be here soon to tell you the machines are under capacity and never break down and it's going to be an easy task to sort everything ready for you or the local unmarried mother etc to collect and deliver.............. for those single parents it will be when the schools are open (not sure what hapens on the school holidays though)

[Tman]

Plus, we still need a manual system, in case the automated system fails. Which would take you back to my method of re-sorting incoming mail for a walk into streets, before throwing-it into a frame

Mail centres don't have manual capacity as back-up, and haven't had for years. That's why there's no MC PHGs any more.
Even Agent Yorkie can see the writing's on the wall...

[POSTMAN]

This seems to be their plan....

Royal Mail have confirmed their 5 point strategy for deliveries.

Its about creating a job for 20 hour contracts and fitting 40 hour contracts into it rather than the other way around.

Mick Stockdale Royal Mail`s head of strategy said to a meeting of senior reps in Bournemouth that at the moment 8 hour duties their is roughly a 50 /50 split on IPS and prep and 50 % on delivery. In the future Royal Mail want a 30/70 split with 30 % on indoor and 70% on outdoor with spans of 4 to 6 hours.

In addition with walk sqecuning they now may be sited in mail processing units MPU which are not mail centres will get mail in delivery units from 11 to 2 oclock so in that senairo latter starts will be inevitable unless we stop Royal mail`s delivery startegy

[NWpostie]

The aim of this is to reduce IPS which in my office is usually between 1 or 2 hours depending on traffic, if this is taken out, that will probably get added to the walks making a bigger delivery and less staff, it will probably be going back to the future of a sort pre SDD where you take out one half in the morning and come back for the second half after taking your breaks.

[DGP1]

The aim of this is to reduce IPS which in my office is usually between 1 or 2 hours depending on traffic, if this is taken out, that will probably get added to the walks making a bigger delivery and less staff, it will probably be going back to the future of a sort pre SDD where you take out one half in the morning and come back for the second half after taking your breaks.

Second delivery who would have thought that would happen

[axeman]

Mail centres don't have manual capacity as back-up, and haven't had for years. That's why there's no MC PHGs any more.
Even Agent Yorkie can see the writing's on the wall...

And thats why the figgures are always missrepresented because when the machines go awal theres not enough staff on hand to cope (mail gets hiden)
this can be seen at my local mail centre if anthing breaks down there's utter chaos even begging staff to stay on to get the mail out to the d.o's
but now the screws have been turned most show the two fingers as they make for the exit

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Mail centres don't have manual capacity as back-up, and haven't had for years. That's why there's no MC PHGs any more.
Even Yorkie can see the writing's on the wall...

Explains why we get so much unsorted or raw mail nowadays - IPS time has gone up in my DO over the last 4 years and the amount of people doing it has staid the same. Its further proof in my opinion that the culture of passing on a problem to someone else, always hits the DOs hardest because we are at the end of the Pipeline. Even today a light Tuesday we still had a full yorky of raw unsorted flats to do on top of our normal IPS, Flats and letters.