Standard Of Workers

[swampySCFC]

I am currently working in the Crewe Mail Centre as a casual because I am in between jobs and I have to say that I am amazed at the poor standards maintained by the employees of the Post Office. This at a time when I understand there is a lot of worry about mail centres closing to cut costs. What have I seen?????

Scruffy dressers making a mockery of the uniform.
Workers spitting openly on the floor in outside areas where people walk
Shift Managers who dont seem to have any people skills
Workers taking excessive cigarette breaks
Workers throwing dog ends on to the floor rather than using appropriate disposal methods.
A manager throwing his dog ends on to adjacent railway property
Continual bad language
Continual moaning about jobs, shifts etc etc
Lack of regard for Health and Safety issues.

What the f*** makes people act like this???

[kingtubby]

What the f*** makes people act like this???

An industrial environment combined with years of demoralization...

[DGP1]

Continual bad language

What the f*** makes people act like this???

I don't know anything about the MC staff but I would say it's a lot to do with the very poor management that we have. I work on deliveries where we don't have ANY smoke breaks, nobody spits on the floor, we wear full uniform most of the time and there is only a minor amount of swearing because some people don't like it so we try to keep it to a minimum but then we end up out of the office for 5-6 hours everyday and not stuck in one place being constantly picked on by poor managers.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I am currently working in the Crewe Mail Centre as a casual because I am in between jobs and I have to say that I am amazed at the poor standards maintained by the employees of the Post Office. This at a time when I understand there is a lot of worry about mail centres closing to cut costs. What have I seen?????

Scruffy dressers making a mockery of the uniform.
Workers spitting openly on the floor in outside areas where people walk
Shift Managers who dont seem to have any people skills
Workers taking excessive cigarette breaks
Workers throwing dog ends on to the floor rather than using appropriate disposal methods.
A manager throwing his dog ends on to adjacent railway property
Continual bad language
Continual moaning about jobs, shifts etc etc
Lack of regard for Health and Safety issues.

What the f*** makes people act like this???

I think you answered your own question.

[fmrPOSTIE]

I wish Royal Mail would enforce the uniform code more, what happened to the days of wearing full uniform with security badge, gone out the window aint it? I saw a postman the other day with denim jeans polo shirt (not RMs) trainers and a baseball cap. The only RM clothing he had was the postbag & fleece jacket.

What a disgrace. Surely there are security concerns here???

[axeman]

You no doubt saw a dry run from a tnt operative

[pcb]

I believe that management saw a chance to make a cut in operational budgets by allowing Postpersons to wear what they want. Those entering the business are not obliged to wear uniform other than Boots and High Vis vests. It shows that managment at a higher level believed that they could make a saving. Unfortunately this leads to a degrading of the esteem of wearing a uniform. Enforce the wearing of the uniform and put a bit of pride back in the job. Higher management tampering at the edges to make savings when structural changes were needed. Good strategy NOT!

[fmrPOSTIE]

indoor workers dont have to wear the uniform but i thought outdoor people/public facing jobs required posties to wear full uniform, how come a guy on deliveries was allowed to look like he was going to a footy match?

[norbert]

I am currently working in the Crewe Mail Centre as a casual because I am in between jobs and I have to say that I am amazed at the poor standards maintained by the employees of the Post Office. This at a time when I understand there is a lot of worry about mail centres closing to cut costs. What have I seen?????

Scruffy dressers making a mockery of the uniform.
Workers spitting openly on the floor in outside areas where people walk
Shift Managers who dont seem to have any people skills
Workers taking excessive cigarette breaks
Workers throwing dog ends on to the floor rather than using appropriate disposal methods.
A manager throwing his dog ends on to adjacent railway property
Continual bad language
Continual moaning about jobs, shifts etc etc
Lack of regard for Health and Safety issues.

What the f*** makes people act like this???

typical APC , favourtisim , nepotisim , command and ignore , places thriving on their own corruption , excessive political correctness , boy's clubs ,racial tension and resentment , you name it's wrong - Delivery has borne the brunt of anything new in RM[/b] - poor culture , a lot of them are s***holes - RM has been in a slow decline since 96 but it's got a lot worse since 2003/4

It works in a manner of fashion , but so did steam trains , the worst of old school RM and the worst of :lfo & :cfo - best one I've heard of was a troubleshooter out of :lfo "s lobotomy lab - staff could only win the "morale boosting draw " if 1 . You were non union 2 . A manager's ( Until the IB found out about him ) son - not the only example a few DUM's have "won " cars in draws - it ticks the RM boxes and looks good on paper .

RM doesn't run anything , it spends most of the time running itself .

The uniform bit was a senior management idea - they gave the CWU's Bob Gibson two days notice that they would impose it . The system has always been rotten - unfortunately there is a lot of people in charge that really believe in it - the biggest school playground & zoo's in the country .

Big Al had a 75% - " it's a great place to work " target These places are instuitions , it's like someone said about prison , it's Ok if you've been in the forces or a public school as otherwise you might as well be on another planet - unfortunately a lot of people running them really are on one .

Basically it's embarrassing - so the idea is to keep things down - RM DO NOT do responsibility . Promotion is on the Peter Principle - if managers aren't incompetent/ corrupt / dishonest enough - RM promote them

SM's with no people skills - thought that was in the RM job description along with alcoholism + Illiteracy , chasing after armed ram raiders trying to rob the locker , and continual threats of the sack for them - they're just puppetmasters for even more incompetent junior floor supervisors

the kindest thing someone once said about a SM was " 20-30 years ago , he'd have been allright- ish , but nowadays you need more upstairs , he's an idiot and a simple man - good luck to him if he can command that salary "

RM the braindead machine that would happily build cardboard submarines - many of the managers have been there since they were cadets , RM is all they know , everything is within a box & very negative , many are too instuitionalized to do anything else - but middle and senior managers are even worse - mirrored cultures - all the problems you'd get outside RM ; only taken to literal extremes ran by so called ominpotent supermanagers that know f**k all about the business.

[bogstandard]

I am currently working in the Crewe Mail Centre as a casual because I am in between jobs and I have to say that I am amazed at the poor standards maintained by the employees of the Post Office. This at a time when I understand there is a lot of worry about mail centres closing to cut costs. What have I seen?????

Scruffy dressers making a mockery of the uniform.
Workers spitting openly on the floor in outside areas where people walk
Shift Managers who dont seem to have any people skills
Workers taking excessive cigarette breaks
Workers throwing dog ends on to the floor rather than using appropriate disposal methods.
A manager throwing his dog ends on to adjacent railway property
Continual bad language
Continual moaning about jobs, shifts etc etc
Lack of regard for Health and Safety issues.

What the f*** makes people act like this???

What does any of what you have personally witnessed have to do with closing mail centers and cutting costs?

[Yahoorsur]

I wish Royal Mail would enforce the uniform code more, what happened to the days of wearing full uniform with security badge, gone out the window aint it? I saw a postman the other day with denim jeans polo shirt (not RMs) trainers and a baseball cap. The only RM clothing he had was the postbag & fleece jacket.

What a disgrace. Surely there are security concerns here???

I remember when I started,the pride(yes it was there at that time)when i wore the blue summer jacket,blue trousers,light blue shirt ,tie and cap,it looked the dogs bollocks.Think my bairns grabbed the cap and destroyed it
memories

[kingtubby]

I believe that management saw a chance to make a cut in operational budgets by allowing Postpersons to wear what they want.

That's right essentially. I work indoors and we received the same message from local management about 3 years ago. It was dressed up as a positive, good news story for us, our 'choice' and so on but the implication was clear that it was a cost saving exercise. On top of that, I think that dropping of the uniform standards is part of the drive to reduce the status of the job. It seems to me that RM are trying turn the job into something that any half-wit can do thereby minimizing training and bolstering the short term contract 'hire and fire' ethos that they'd like to impose. Knowledge and experience are no longer valued as the asset they are.
Anyway, needless to say I always stick to my own self-imposed uniform standard and always wear it

[norbert]

I believe that management saw a chance to make a cut in operational budgets by allowing Postpersons to wear what they want.

That's right essentially. I work indoors and we received the same message from local management about 3 years ago. It was dressed up as a positive, good news story for us, our 'choice' and so on but the implication was clear that it was a cost saving exercise. On top of that, I think that dropping of the uniform standards is part of the drive to reduce the status of the job. It seems to me that RM are trying turn the job into something that any half-wit can do thereby minimizing training and bolstering the short term contract 'hire and fire' ethos that they'd like to impose. Knowledge and experience are no longer valued as the asset they are.
Anyway, needless to say I always stick to my own self-imposed uniform standard and always wear it

there is dumbing down - all that alpha sorting - it backfires on RM though especially with the blind leading the blind or the patients running the asylum - Gibson just said on the LTB - tell :lfo where he can stick all this ask Allan & Corporate Dress Down stuff - the union fought to get staff that Uniform , so wear it .

Those Senior Mangers and board are sales people - that sort of target culture might work there but not in RM .

[k979aaa]

indoor workers dont have to wear the uniform but i thought outdoor people/public facing jobs required posties to wear full uniform, how come a guy on deliveries was allowed to look like he was going to a footy match?

I will tell you if they (manager) sent them home they the manager would have to get the driver's to cover it or other manager's when the driver cover it now all the packet's get left in!.

[swampySCFC]

I am currently working in the Crewe Mail Centre as a casual because I am in between jobs and I have to say that I am amazed at the poor standards maintained by the employees of the Post Office. This at a time when I understand there is a lot of worry about mail centres closing to cut costs. What have I seen?????

Scruffy dressers making a mockery of the uniform.
Workers spitting openly on the floor in outside areas where people walk
Shift Managers who dont seem to have any people skills
Workers taking excessive cigarette breaks
Workers throwing dog ends on to the floor rather than using appropriate disposal methods.
A manager throwing his dog ends on to adjacent railway property
Continual bad language
Continual moaning about jobs, shifts etc etc
Lack of regard for Health and Safety issues.

What the f*** makes people act like this???

What does any of what you have personally witnessed have to do with closing mail centers and cutting costs?

Im not sure really. i kind of think if people have pride in their environment and show respect then they are more likely to be taken notice of. Maybe Im deluded.