BURSLEM DELIVERY OFFICE MANAGMENT BULLYING VICTIM

[Beefy_Curtains]

sorry to read about your problems, however a business will not continue support if you feel they have won.....even so WELFARE is offered to all employees whom have trouble within there life, which effects there continuious attendance for work.....DID YOU TAKE THIS OPSION????????????
welfare are great and very supportive.........................Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you...................and shame on your union representative for not knowing his onions to guide you through your trumatic time.............I hope your life continues on a positive road and wish you well in all that you do.....

"Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you"

You are entitled to an opinion of course but you aint by the sound of it suffered depression my friend!

[brothermagrew]

Brother Magrew

Yes I do indeed still have a copy of the Tribunals findings which I have within a folder with other important documentation I have collected over the course of my life.
regarding the course of how my dismissal came about, this was because of "Abandament of Duty" . I had an accident at work which prevented me from carring out my afternoon collection, however I informed the PHG (this was in the day when PHG ment something) I was unable to perform my collection. The PHG contacted the next person on the call out sheet to continue with my collection I was unable to do. The Delivery Office Manager had taken it upon themself to persue the Abandament on duty line and continued this to the sector manager, whom i felt was in agreement with the delivery office manager. I believed I was percicuted by Royal Mail. The tribunals believed that Royal Mail acted inapropreatly and I was granted my reinstatement with a compansation payment attached. The managers are no longer with the business (retirment not dismissal) and it seems that management are still reading the same " how not to get on with staff" rule booklet, which is why I fight all and anyone I feel has misused there posistion....

Andy2007

I hope you feel better now and believe with time employees will recieve the rights they require, when there are people like you and I still employed within Royal Mail, unfortunatley my belief is WE are a dieing bread

HAPPY CHRISTMAS

Accident on Duty and still Manager expects you to carry on with your afternoon collections. Unbelievable totally unbelievable but on second thoughts this is the kind of tactics that we have come to expect from RM Management. Thank GOD that the Tribunal saw them for what they were and came to the informed decision in that they acted unappropriately.

Quite right brother wolfie and continue to fight all and anyone who you feel has misused their position

Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year brother

[kay_thebigbird]

I was employed as a full time postaman at Burslem delivery office from Aug 02 until May 08. When I was forced into finishing on medical grounds due to a continued campaign of bullying and harassment by two delivery office managesr, one of the managers was working in the office from around Jan 07 until December 07, the other takeing his role in Jan 08.

Just to outline my postion at the time, without going into to much detail, I had a number of personal problems which left me suffering from depression and stress which caused me to takeing sick leave in order to rebuild my life.

The bullying and harassment was started by the first DOM at Burslem during my sick leave. Again without me going into to much detail this consisted of threats of supension, being subject to constant intrusive phone calls, one to one meeting with him in which he would bully me and somewhat threaten me into retuning to work, to metion just a few examples.

This campaign of constant bullying left me feeling very alone and isolated and bearing the personal probelms I had been through earlier in the year affected my mental state even more.

I must also stress that although Burslem DO has had it fair share of problems, as I am sure many of you are aware. No! member of staff caused me any problems at all. If anything the support I had from my colleagues was a great help.

I managed to return to working around Aug of 07. The bullying continued by the Dom and increased to such a level that following the industrail action that took place at the office I was forced to take sick leave again around Jan 08.

This was the time when the new Dom took over. Again I was subjected to simiar bullying and harassment as before. Athough I would say the Dom was made from the same mould as the first he was far more underhand with his campaign of bullying and harassment directed towards me.

I was then offered Ill health retirement which was pushed upon me as the only way for me to go. This together with the bullying that I had suffered At the had of two Burslem delivery office managers I just caved in and accepeted it. I had no fight left in me. These two managers had systematically bullied me over a long period time which was difficult enough for me with my perosnal problems that I was experiencing.

It is only now several months down the line feeling much stronger and seeing things much clearer that I can see what happened to me was totally wrong and unjust. I would like to thank you for taking the time to read this post and ask you to offer me support in righting the wrongs I have endured and helping me regain my employment within Royal Mail as a postman which was a job I once loved

UNITY IS STRENGTH.

I know where your coming from Jim, I was sacked for over a year by 2 lying managers , I have nearly 15 years service, but I was never going to give up. Got my job back 1 day before ET went back to work 4 weeks ago, been out for 13 months what a great feeling beating those scum they don't always win ,good luck jim.

[kay_thebigbird]

To "jim27" i too have suffered at the hand's of the bullying management it is hard enough when you are fit and well nevermind when you are in the depth's of depression and are feeling down. I WISH YOU WELL.

Don't ever think Bullying managers are strong in fact they are the opposite the one that I was involved with was a joke every interview or anything to do with the case he was stammering, sweating getting his words mixed up he was pathetic ,I was so much more confident than he was. BULLYS ARE THE MOST INSECURE PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER MEET NEVER ALLOW ANYONE TO BULLY YOU.

[brothermagrew]

BULLYS ARE THE MOST INSECURE PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER MEET NEVER ALLOW ANYONE TO BULLY YOU.

Spot on sister Kay, some common excuses that are often banded about are "only weak and inadequate people are bullied."

However, the two most common reasons - by far - for attracting the attentions of a bully are being good at your job and popular with people. Bullying is about projecting one's own weaknesses and failings onto others. Only a bully has the insensitivity to make a statement like this, and in so doing, unwittingly confesses to their own weakness and inadequacy.

"People respect toughness."
Firmness, assertiveness, fairness, trustworthiness, leadership, yes. Bullying is none of these. Bulying is about gratifying the self through hurting others.

"You're too sensitive."
Also conscientious, industrious, reliable, honest, trustworthy, imaginative, creative and a host of other virtues. The person who produces this statement as a justification for bullying is demonstrating their insensitivity and prejudice.

When challenging a bully, watch for this fifteen-step behaviour exhibition (throughout the process, look out for use of guilt, and record that as well. In other words diarise everything.

1. Surprise. 2. Denial. 3. Projection. 4. Sympathy. 5. Alarm. 6. Threat. 7. Provocation. 8. Delay.
9. Panic. 10. Defence. 11. Confusion. 12. Diversion. 13. Counter-attack. 14. Humility. 15. Play victim.

[BELIAL]

[brothermagrew]

When challenging a bully watch for this fifteen-step behaviour exhibition:

1. SURPRISE:
This may be the first time the bully has been challenged in this manner, and the surprise may be genuine. On the other hand the bully is so accustomed to behaving like this that it is more likely to be an instinctive response. The reasons for their response is not important.

Key words and phrases to watch out for:
What, me?
What have I done?
Are you sure about this?
What have I done to you?
There must be a mistake here.
No, you're mistaken, you're making this up.

The bully will be accustomed to using guilt, and is likely to wield it at every opportunity. Recognise it (through the feeling of discomfort it engenders), understand that guilt is at its most effective when there is a grain of truth (but never enough to justify it's use), record it, then ignore it. You have a right not to be encouraged to feel guilty.

I've always acted in your best interests haven't I?
I thought we were friends?

Note the last proclamation "I thought we were friends" - a statement in the form of a question - or is it a question in the form of a statement? Bullies often confuse questions and statements as a way of projecting their beliefs onto others. One's instinctive response is to justify or excuse, which increases doubt - whose genesis is guilt. Be mindful, keep mum.

[wolfie citizen smith]

sorry to read about your problems, however a business will not continue support if you feel they have won.....even so WELFARE is offered to all employees whom have trouble within there life, which effects there continuious attendance for work.....DID YOU TAKE THIS OPSION????????????
welfare are great and very supportive.........................Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you...................and shame on your union representative for not knowing his onions to guide you through your trumatic time.............I hope your life continues on a positive road and wish you well in all that you do.....

"Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you"

You are entitled to an opinion of course but you aint by the sound of it suffered depression my friend!

What make you say that then Dr Curtains You too are entitled to your opinion, which is granted. However please do not make judgements on things you are not medically experienced on.

[brothermagrew]

When challenging a bully watch for this fifteen-step behaviour exhibition:

2. Denial:
The first outward sign of an unwillingness to accept responsibility. This is an inborn self-protection mechanism that most people will resort to when alerted to some potential unpleasant consequences as a result of their actions.

I'm not a bully, I never have been.
I've never resorted to bullying, it's not in my nature.

Unfortunately it's part of human survival and therefore in all of our natures.

3. Projection:
The bully now tries to project their own failings on to the other person, who under the pressure of threat and intimidation, possibly backed up with guilt, begins to doubt themselves.

You have an attitude problem.
I can't trust you to do anything right.
You're not capable of doing your job properly.
You're useless.

4. Sympathy:
An instinctive response by which the bully tries to claim sympathy for themselves. It's a form of diversion, and a dry run for the trump card at the end of the process.

Yes, but what about me?
Do you know how much I've suffered?
I'm under so much pressure to achieve......

5. Alarm:
The victim is not going to be fobbed off so easily. The bully may offer to discuss the concerns "openly".

We can sort this out between us.
I'm here to help you.
There's no need for anyone else to be involved.
Trust me.

I'd rather trust being shackled to a cage full of hungry lions.

[Beefy_Curtains]

I was employed as a full time postaman at Burslem delivery office from Aug 02 until May 08. When I was forced into finishing on medical grounds due to a continued campaign of bullying and harassment by two delivery office managesr, one of the managers was working in the office from around Jan 07 until December 07, the other takeing his role in Jan 08.

Just to outline my postion at the time, without going into to much detail, I had a number of personal problems which left me suffering from depression and stress which caused me to takeing sick leave in order to rebuild my life.

The bullying and harassment was started by the first DOM at Burslem during my sick leave. Again without me going into to much detail this consisted of threats of supension, being subject to constant intrusive phone calls, one to one meeting with him in which he would bully me and somewhat threaten me into retuning to work, to metion just a few examples.

This campaign of constant bullying left me feeling very alone and isolated and bearing the personal probelms I had been through earlier in the year affected my mental state even more.

I must also stress that although Burslem DO has had it fair share of problems, as I am sure many of you are aware. No! member of staff caused me any problems at all. If anything the support I had from my colleagues was a great help.

I managed to return to working around Aug of 07. The bullying continued by the Dom and increased to such a level that following the industrail action that took place at the office I was forced to take sick leave again around Jan 08.

This was the time when the new Dom took over. Again I was subjected to simiar bullying and harassment as before. Athough I would say the Dom was made from the same mould as the first he was far more underhand with his campaign of bullying and harassment directed towards me.

I was then offered Ill health retirement which was pushed upon me as the only way for me to go. This together with the bullying that I had suffered At the had of two Burslem delivery office managers I just caved in and accepeted it. I had no fight left in me. These two managers had systematically bullied me over a long period time which was difficult enough for me with my perosnal problems that I was experiencing.

It is only now several months down the line feeling much stronger and seeing things much clearer that I can see what happened to me was totally wrong and unjust. I would like to thank you for taking the time to read this post and ask you to offer me support in righting the wrongs I have endured and helping me regain my employment within Royal Mail as a postman which was a job I once loved

UNITY IS STRENGTH.

I know where your coming from Jim, I was sacked for over a year by 2 lying managers , I have nearly 15 years service, but I was never going to give up. Got my job back 1 day before ET went back to work 4 weeks ago, been out for 13 months what a great feeling beating those scum they don't always win ,good luck jim.

[Beefy_Curtains]

sorry to read about your problems, however a business will not continue support if you feel they have won.....even so WELFARE is offered to all employees whom have trouble within there life, which effects there continuious attendance for work.....DID YOU TAKE THIS OPSION????????????
welfare are great and very supportive.........................Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you...................and shame on your union representative for not knowing his onions to guide you through your trumatic time.............I hope your life continues on a positive road and wish you well in all that you do.....

"Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you"

You are entitled to an opinion of course but you aint by the sound of it suffered depression my friend!

What make you say that then Dr Curtains You too are entitled to your opinion, which is granted. However please do not make judgements on things you are not medically experienced on.

I like Jim suffer from depression and have had many expert medical opinions on it. I unlike Jim don’t get intimidated by coward’s and will willingly smack the mouth of any bully, job or no job. Although not a medical expert, I have become over the years very experienced on stupid sentences from the miss-informed! There is no shame on you Jim in depression only shame on twats for thinking it!

[burslemlad]

Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you...................and shame on your union representative for not knowing his onions to guide you through your trumatic time...

Wolfie I can't believe your comments about Jim and his union rep. For a start Jim was in no fit state to continue his fight at that time. As for the union rep, if you have read The Burslem Guys thread on this site, you will realise that during this period the reps were suspended ( ironically for alledged bullying). So please don't knock Jim or his reps without knowing all the facts.

[norbert]

Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you...................and shame on your union representative for not knowing his onions to guide you through your trumatic time...

Wolfie I can't believe your comments about Jim and his union rep. For a start Jim was in no fit state to continue his fight at that time. As for the union rep, if you have read The Burslem Guys thread on this site, you will realise that during this period the reps were suspended ( ironically for alledged bullying). So please don't knock Jim or his reps without knowing all the facts.

- which is exactly what RM would have wanted in the first place ! - I've spoken to people from the TUC who've been reps in other Industries and can tell more than a few horror stories like false imprisonment - threats to " manage " people out if they went to the Police & pressed charges from the Personnel Manager and even they find the RM system vicious !
Sounds like if everything was dictated by what are glorified board room bullies or Senior Management to give them their proper title

Oldest trick in the book , wear someone down , it's happened to managers , crocodile tears from about H&B from :lfo - utter b*ll**ks - the cancer that infects the whole of RM

[norbert]

The Bullying Victims tend to be very efficient and create jealousy and insecurity - the bullying is in proportion to poor management and/or inadequacy - you've got to look at the types - the overgrown head girl / boy - idiots that have never left the Playground , the glorified overgrown prefect in a minor public school type , we'd a cartoon of a hated ar**hole manager in a high chair ,with bib etc at work because that's all that prat was ! - he was also a border- line mental case as he could not deal with any form of criticism whatsoever - the hypersensitive lunatic in fact

When you have a backward 80's / 90's macho style like RM where everything is based on bullying - there's all sorts of insidious levels of it - it can be used to " solve " personalty clashes with unprofessional / badly or poorly trained managers - half of these don't have personalties in the first place especially when they are very instuitionalized/ otherwise unemployable walking clones or stereotypes but it happens as these are inadequate people - but they'd prefer people to believe otherwise .

Good rule of thumb text book Industrial Psychology - Brother McGrew

[wolfie citizen smith]

sorry to read about your problems, however a business will not continue support if you feel they have won.....even so WELFARE is offered to all employees whom have trouble within there life, which effects there continuious attendance for work.....DID YOU TAKE THIS OPSION????????????
welfare are great and very supportive.........................Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you...................and shame on your union representative for not knowing his onions to guide you through your trumatic time.............I hope your life continues on a positive road and wish you well in all that you do.....

"Shame on you for not continuing the fight against these humans who believe they are by far greater than you"

You are entitled to an opinion of course but you aint by the sound of it suffered depression my friend!

What make you say that then Dr Curtains You too are entitled to your opinion, which is granted. However please do not make judgements on things you are not medically experienced on.

I like Jim suffer from depression and have had many expert medical opinions on it. I unlike Jim don’t get intimidated by coward’s and will willingly smack the mouth of any bully, job or no job. Although not a medical expert, I have become over the years very experienced on stupid sentences from the miss-informed! There is no shame on you Jim in depression only shame on twats for thinking it!

Dr Curtains, its nice to read that you finally agree with me However if Jim did feel intimidated and could not take on royal mail then "shame on the union rep for not knowing his colleagues in work", as i previously wrote. For your file, as you will of been well informed by your medical expert, depression effects people in different ways and for that reason, they precribe different mediciation. However no one should be a defeatist and always stand up for what they believe is right no matter how hard things get.. so yes shame on jim but I do know how you felt ... and shame on you Dr Curtains, violance is never an option its just a cowards way out.....The pen is mighter than the sword....I believe in unions and know how hard divisional rep work up to headquaters and they are always there for us true members