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Are RM about to force us to work the Xmas Sunday’s

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Up Hill Down Hill wrote:By law you don't have to work a 48 hours + week... I currently work 48 hours so no Sunday for me ;)
I'd be careful in case RM start being " creative " about it , one firm got round it by making you work 6 X 12 hr shifts then three days off , you were paid for 48 hours and on paper it was 48 hrs .

in another service they'd cut so much , the overtime bill was high - to stop that , they did a roster or link with 312 hrs divided by 8 = 39 hours , you used to get a double rest day every two months in the past , as you worked 40 hrs but got paid for 39 hrs - the new roster that was imposed was just about legal but goalposts got moved and Sundays with both jobs were part of the working week .
It meant over 9 weeks you lost 5 rest days , a sore point for some of us - not all of us were grabbers or wanted to be there all the time .
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According to RM the European Working Time directive doesn't apply over the Xmas pressure period.
During the rest of the year you have to have at least two full working days off in any 14 day period -
ie one day off in each week or a weekend off in a fortnight in my MC.
This is suspended over the Xmas Pressure period.
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baldrick wrote:According to RM the European Working Time directive doesn't apply over the Xmas pressure period.
During the rest of the year you have to have at least two full working days off in any 14 day period -
ie one day off in each week or a weekend off in a fortnight in my MC.
This is suspended over the Xmas Pressure period.
Yes, they got around it in the same way as the 48 hour opt-out. But as far as I'm aware (but I could be wrong), the Christmas exeption from the Working Time Directive, only applies to those who signed the opt-out from the 48 hour maximum working week. Those (like me), who didn't. Can't be forced to do more than the 48 hours.
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Simple answer is no, they can't make you work Sunday as it would be compulsory overtime. Show em' two fingers
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The lists have gone up for extended Xmas duties, but there are quite a number not filled.
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Phantom wrote:Simple answer is no, they can't make you work Sunday as it would be compulsory overtime. Show em' two fingers
I also believe that as its not "Custom and Practice" to work Sundays even if they offer you a different day off so you don't go over your contracted hours, you can still say NO.
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I asked this morning about when we starting the evening redelivery service....the reply was 'what evening redelivery?' there has been no mention of extended opening hours in Callers either, which is surprising considering how large our office is. So I guess where my office is concerned those xmas cards sent out to the public were a waste of time.
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geopip wrote:We need someone to check their contract, my one is long past its sell by date

Can you be made to work on Sundays?
You should check either your contract of employment or written statement of terms and conditions to see if you must work on Sundays or would have to if you were asked. If it says so, you'll have to work on Sundays. If it doesn't, then the only way of making you work on that day is by a change to your contract. This is something that must normally be agreed by both you and your employer, otherwise making you work on Sundays would amount to a breach of contract.
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I did this in a previous job and they backed down. contracts have to be agreed by both parties Period.
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1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

IN OTHER WORDS SUNDAY IS A DAY OF REST
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Now is that a national or local agreement or is it just a working model for a trial area? :chuckle
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It will only work if they offer extra incentives such as 8 hours +day in lieu, for a 4 hour day work.
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I gather that what JonnyP kindly shared with us relating to the topic of the 11 hour rule under the way forward agreement has been discarded by management and the cwu this xmas?????
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Sunday at crimbo is on a voluntary basis at out gaff. Dont put your name down you dont get any OT
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Beefy_Curtains wrote:Sunday at crimbo is on a voluntary basis at out gaff. Dont put your name down you dont get any OT
Ah the you, you and you school of getting volunteers.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Beefy_Curtains wrote:Sunday at crimbo is on a voluntary basis at out gaff. Dont put your name down you dont get any OT
Ah the you, you and you school of getting volunteers.
Actualy this is confusing due to my earlier drunkerniss. (puke)

You can the Suns on OT if you volunteer. It does not affect any other OT. In other words (hic) the Sundays are volantery (burp) (Crash) :crazy: