calling in sick

scooby · Post by **scooby** » 15 Nov 2008, 18:17

dont u just hate calling in sick when u get a manager that dont give a shite and thinks u are making it all up

now looking forwad to the phone call every other day asking when i will be back

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 16 Nov 2008, 00:13

linkinpark wrote:
scooby wrote:dont u just hate calling in sick when u get a manager that dont give a shite and thinks u are making it all up
now looking forwad to the phone call every other day asking when i will be back
They phone you up? Posties in our office are sacked for not phoning in EVERY day! Your lucky.

We first had this from one of big :lfo 's "love children " - not informing adequately constituted " unauthorized absence " and CofC - Quell surprise ! - RM sound if they've moved the goalposts there and/or are being possibly overzealous .

Where RM could be out of order ? is that everything on Planet RM is very black & white & judgemental as we all know . In a Tribunal , it would have to be asked whether RM acted reasonably ? - the grey bit !

I'd check out whether this is legal under RMAP , with some of the RDC's well before the last dispute , RM wanted a new RMAP which included ringing in before duty even when sick every day and removal of DDA protection .

RM backed down after a successful CWU ballot for IA even in places like NDC where RM purposefully recruited from outside the Industry to dilute the CWU influence . The CWU had to fight RM tooth and nail over this for a long time - sounds like it stayed on the backburner and there's pressure from on very high to get this through ?

We've had repudiation of contract sacking threats in another Industry - only when the Union Area Organizer was brought in - did Management back off - it would be easier to get rid of staff that have been with RM less than a year this way .

Something to do with " You're not interested in informing us so therefore we are not interested in employing you or you are not in a position to fulfill your contract so we are "letting you go " " - if you were say on trial , and managers thought you were taking the p*** - they'd sack you anyway - apparently there was a watershed tribunal case which is used as a reference point .

RM's Area management would accuse people of not taking their jobs seriously enough - there was a case in "The Sun " when they sacked someone for getting injured playing amateur football - though his normal attendance wasn't that bad beforehand

Where RM can come unstuck is when they start making assumptive , black & white statements / judgements

I stand corrected if I'm wrong and/or out of date on things

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 16 Nov 2008, 06:29

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=11808

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 16 Nov 2008, 08:04

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=11808

the notification and certification and it could be regarded as misconduct bit is the "interesting " bit - sounds if RM ( well I never ) are making something out of something vague and/or obscure to justify that stance .

Too loosely drafted that RMAP ?

scooby · Post by **scooby** » 16 Nov 2008, 17:38

return to work discussions shud they also be done in the 1st 48hours back i have had one the next week at time then they ask are u fit to work jokers at times.

still not sure if they shud ring every other day or shud we ring them ?

Post by **darth** » 17 Nov 2008, 09:59

http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/nao_ ... hpaper.pdf

whilst our procedures for sickness are very grey in parts we actually (established staff )dont to badly when it comes to sickness compared to other places.out of all the issues within royal mail this is one which royal mail would change to the detriment of staff.whether this is one of the spanish practices ,crozier stated is unknown.the cwu through the years have got us generous terms and we should fight tooth and nail to defend them.

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 17 Nov 2008, 11:17

darth postie wrote:http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/nao_ ... hpaper.pdf

whilst our procedures for sickness are very grey in parts we actually (established staff )dont to badly when it comes to sickness compared to other places.out of all the issues within royal mail this is one which royal mail would change to the detriment of staff.whether this is one of the spanish practices ,crozier stated is unknown.the cwu through the years have got us generous terms and we should fight tooth and nail to defend them.

that type would just say that people are featherbedded and it costs them money and the Union is an obstacle - not unsurprisingly RM are trying to do managerial redefinition , moving the goalposts etc to get round things due to pressure from on high - remember many senior managers "left " after the last dispute