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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7710405.stm

The government has seen off the biggest backbench rebellion since Gordon Brown became prime minister over union rights on strike ballots.

Some 44 Labour MPs and 9 members of other parties rebelled against the government over the Employment Bill.

But their move was rejected by 408 votes to 53, a government majority 355.

Fifteen Labour MPs also called on unions to be allowed to expel BNP members without penalty but that amendment was not put to the vote.

Left winger John McDonnell led the rebellion over strike ballot rights, describing the current rules as "onerous, costly and over-complicated".

Speaking during a report stage debate, he said they tended to "sour industrial relations" turning the industrial climate into one of "hostility rather than negotiation".

'Dark days'

Moving what he described as an "extremely reasonable and moderate" amendment to the Bill, he said there should be a duty on employers to co-operate with unions when conducting a ballot for industrial action.

Union membership records are often hindered by flexible work patterns, outsourcing of work and the movement of workers between different workplaces, argued Mr McDonnell.

He also called for workers taking lawful industrial action to be protected from being "sued, sacked or penalised".

Jonathan Djanogly, for the Conservatives, launched an attack on Mr McDonnell's demands saying they would take the country back to the "dark days of the 1970s" and companies would be "held to ransom" by striking workers.

He said: "Here the true face and belief of the hard left of the Labour Party is exposed and for business it is not a very pretty sight."

BNP move

Business Minister Pat McFadden also rejected Mr McDonnell's move, saying: "I am, of course, happy to continue a dialogue with trade unions about how the law operates ... but I am not convinced that a duty on employers to help trade unions organise these ballots is the right way forward."

Mr McFadden said there were already measures in place to prevent firms penalising workers taking part in legitimate industrial action.

The vote prompted the biggest backbench Labour revolt since Mr Brown took over from Tony Blair in June 2007. The previous record was 36 Labour rebels as the government scraped home by nine votes over 42-day detention for terror suspects.

Commenting afterwards, Mr McDonnell said: "This is a huge rebellion in a by-election week and sends out the clearest possible signal to the government that we are not doing enough on trade union rights."

An expected rebellion on moves to safeguard the rights of workers expelled from trade unions for BNP membership did not materialise as the move was not put to the vote.

Lords amendment

Under the Employment Bill, which is due to become law in the next few weeks, unions will be able to eject members whose beliefs are in opposition to those of the union.

But trade unions will have to make their opposition to the BNP or any other organisation clear in their rulebook, ensure they act fairly in their procedures and compensate any members judged to have been expelled unfairly.

The government backed a Lords amendment introducing these safeguards, saying it struck the right balance between an individual's rights to freedom of association and their political beliefs.

But Parliamentary Labour Party chairman Tony Lloyd, who fears BNP "infiltration" of the union movement, said the Lords amendment offered "too much protection" to the individual at the expense of the rights of the unions.

"An individual fascist member who doesn't want to be a member of the same union as black, Jewish or Asian colleagues, his or her interests are put ahead of those colleagues to not want to be a member of a trade union with a fascist involved. That is an important freedom that we are seeing eroded."

He claimed that the BNP in its magazine was telling their members to join a union so they could reveal themselves before seeking a "five-figure payout" in compensation.

This is a huge rebellion in a by-election week and sends out the clearest possible signal to the government that we are not doing enough on trade union rights
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Quite happy to take union money of course.
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As much as I loath the BNP they are a legal political party, I find it hypocritical to treat members of the BNP via bullying, expulsion, intimidation while it is ok to be a member of a Communist/Socialist worker party and not be vilified, as much as I also loath the Communist party, yet I would defend the right of anybody to belong to a legal Political party of your choice without penalty and not to lose your job over it, it is wrong to do otherwise as we would be acting like the dark days of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, it would be mob mentality to enforce and impose your own agenda over the right of freedom of expression, this is a free British democracy with the right of Free Assembly, Political views and Religion without penalty.
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I tend to agree with NWpostie. If it is a legally recognised Political Party, which it is, then unless the Party itself breaks the law its members should be allowed to stay in the Union. If we ban them or eject them from the Union or the political process how can we, who disagree with their views hope to change their minds.

Banning them from a Union or any Community Organisation only entrenches their views and pushes them further and further down any potentially extremist routes. If we can discuss and interact with their members perhaps we can dilute and mitigate their views to bring their members more into the mainstream of politics.
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removing the party from the problem, if it is ok to discriminate and/or expell a member because the party they have affiliated themselves to has beliefs that are in opposition/contrast to that of the union, and the unions have historically affiliated with labour then does the posibility not exist that all memebers affiliated to anything other than the labour party can be treated in this manner.
Would the green party exist if it's beliefs were the same as those of the lib dems or cons. Do we realy want to be responsible for driving a movement undergroud, is it not better to have this or any movement out in the open where there is no fear in engagement.
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Within the CWU you can belong to any political party that is not facist or racist which is what the CWU powers that be belive they are.

Whilst CWU political officers are normally required to be LP members to hold that post there are exceptions to that rule.

If only 1 person wants the job and thay are not a LP member /not willing to join then they can be political officer if it were that person and another person who was a LP member willing to be a LP member then the non LP member would not be elected as political officer.

My personal view is its daft to have that rule, political officers operate on behalf of their CWU branch and are their in the main to liase with the local labour parties on behalf of the CWU. They follow CWU policy so the individual personal political view point of the political officer is irrelevant to holding the post. On top of that many local labour party meetings welcome non members to come along which makes the rule to belong to the LP look even more out of date.

Even though Im not a LP member I mange to engage with local labour bods in a constructive manner on behalf of my branch and also debate issues with the head honcho of the LP in my town.
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Hmmm...this bill is one more step towards a Police state.

Expelling someone from a union for their political beliefs is wrong. Plain and simple.

I know many people who do not agree with the basic pricinples of a trade union, but they are still members.

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Ignoring the BNP bollox for a minute in plain English what does the 1st bit mean.
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I may be wrong but the way I understand it the Unions now have to tell the Bosses of the potential strike hit business who will be on strike, what their job, location of work, and position are, and it has to be accurate. Apparently this was what RM sucessfuly got an injunction against the CWU last year when they called off the strikes.
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I am neither for nor against the BNP, Green, Independent or any other person or political persuasion, what I find odd is that some people can preach sedition and treachery and get away scot free - perhaps we should tighten up the laws on free speech and make it less free under certain circumstances.
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Lets hope that this scum get the good hard kick in the ar*e they deserve from the much taken for granted labour supporters in Glenrothes tonight, maybe then they will remember the working man voted them in as they are supposed to be socialists or at the very least on our side