Ninian WIlson LEAVES

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 11 Oct 2008, 14:17

Its no real surprise that Ninean Wilson has left. He has been under pressure for some time the facts are that quality has not regained the levels it was pre last years strike. Anyone who read his weekely eamail which he sent out on mass will have known he was simply not up to the job.

Lets be honest Royal Mail paid all the money up front on pay and mod and have recieved very little in the way of change back and with quality remaining at levels which are frankly poor then he was always likely to go. So since last years dispute we know that Leighton is going and in effect has been gone for some time working in Canada for the westons. Mcarthy has gone , kevin green has gone, tom melvin has retired, ian barrie has gone, James farren is going and alex bachlor has gone. All leading managers who wanted to destroy the cwu and have failed. Whats more Crozier has only another 12 months of his contract left and in all probablity wont be renewed again.

I dont think its rats leaving a sinking ship the fact is that this managers just wernt up to the job !!

Post by **darth** » 11 Oct 2008, 14:53

i do think that some of them they were up for the job but they were most probably given the remit of break the union first so to forge decent working relationships with the the cwu was a impossibillity from the beginning.until crozier goes we are never going to have a proper working relationship where a union can work in partnership with royal mail.

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 11 Oct 2008, 15:01

andy2007 wrote:
k66yla wrote:I doubt :cfo will leave, no one else would want to employ somebody who stuffs up everything he touches, the reverse Midas Touch.
Are you joking?
He's doing exactly what he was Employed to do: Run RM down. That's what his big bonuses are for. He'd be snapped up in an instant, to ruin another Public Service.

1 It's a double act - " David Brent " does all the bish , bosh bluff and bluster - Crozier is the real assassin - Stephen Byers of the DTI wanted the CWU breaking - Hewitt wanted RM part sold to TNT - that union bashing was the policy for the first two years - then it was privatization , however despite all the splits in senior management privatization means softening people up first and knocking the stuffing out of people - just a more " subtle " or devious way of doing it .

Personally I'd say :lfo is a defeated man - but he's clever about dissapearing in time .

2 He was paid to increase RM's value by Gordon Brown ( When Chancellor ) and his Stakeholder Executive - he was put in as head of letters after RM got shafted on C4's despatches - :lfo 's sidekick was previously Elmer Toime - but he got a £500,000 golden handshake for "personalty clashes " with :lfo - didn't know some of them had personalties - but there you go !

3 As Andy said he is doing what he's been told to do - it's good number because there's no way that in the private sector that worsening service would be tolerated . The City people like socialism as long as they get the benefits

4 Crozier got rid of 92 "blazers " in the FA - he also had it moved from Lancaster Gate - that ( rid of the blazers ) was probably long overdue - probably going back to Sir Alf Ramsey's era or before that - however the wage bill went up six times by getting his people in and they were taken for a ride with Sven Goran Errickson ( he's no mug ! )

Word was he had to jump before he was pushed - there was all this " We regret Adam's decision to resign " stuff - which "coincided " with the Wembley Stadium debacle - one "character reference " was " I wouldn't p*** on him if he was on fire " .

I think the pressure that Unite put on him , his board and senior managers and then Dave Ward is starting to tell but not necessarily on him - the tory papers can stick the boot into him as he worked for The Telegraph - where he learnt a lesson in humility

when he didn't get sacked for false sales figures .

Some of it is to do with Blue Labour assurances about public ownership - it could be interesting when Dave Snooty and his Pals get in though .

Post by **trythat** » 11 Oct 2008, 17:19

darth postie wrote:i do think that some of them they were up for the job but they were most probably given the remit of break the union first so to forge decent working relationships with the the cwu was a impossibillity

I think you're right, it's a good job most of the CWU membership is a lot stronger and harder, than the CWU leadership, the CWU leaders haven't done that good a job for us TBH. From the little I've heard and seen, the Unite leadership to have a much more joined up thing about them, they seem to win more disputes that the CWU does.

darth postie wrote: from the beginning.until crozier goes we are never going to have a proper working relationship where a union can work in partnership with royal mail.

I totally agree Crozier has no time for the union, where as if he took his head out from his ass, he would see that its easier and better to work with us, than call us lazy, overpaid and useless, don't the people in government and upper management realise it's ME and other members of CWU who make the profit, and pay his disgustingly, despicable wages?

lifesentence · Post by **lifesentence** » 11 Oct 2008, 18:45

If this is the sh*t hitting the fan, will there be any managers left by christmas? Should be some fun next year. I never new so much was going on, but that's the trouble for living in the sticks.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 11 Oct 2008, 19:18

First time i saw this guy was last week when i went up for PDA training,he was presenting a video all about them.Dont really know to much about him to be honest.

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 11 Oct 2008, 19:22

trythat wrote:
darth postie wrote:i do think that some of them they were up for the job but they were most probably given the remit of break the union first so to forge decent working relationships with the the cwu was a impossibillity
I think you're right, it's a good job most of the CWU membership is a lot stronger and harder, than the CWU leadership, the CWU leaders haven't done that good a job for us TBH. From the little I've heard and seen, the Unite leadership to have a much more joined up thing about them, they seem to win more disputes that the CWU does.

darth postie wrote: from the beginning.until crozier goes we are never going to have a proper working relationship where a union can work in partnership with royal mail.
I totally agree Crozier has no time for the union, where as if he took his head out from his ass, he would see that its easier and better to work with us, than call us lazy, overpaid and useless, don't the people in government and upper management realise it's ME and other members of CWU who make the profit, and pay his disgustingly, despicable wages?

you will get endless trench warfare - seen it in another ex nationalized industry - eventually it stopped and the companies realized they had to work with the union - company councils set up etc - also better senior managers were eventually brought in and a lot of managers who thought they were God's gift to the service were given their marching orders - some practically had to have their hands prized off the door handle - they'd outlived their usefulness and been cited too often in Tribunals etc and had become a embarrasment

I can't really see that happening with the present board and senior management , :lfo controls them in a despotic way but in another sense he can't control them and it's backfired on RM after every dispute

I agree with the grass roots being stronger than the CWU HQ / PEC - with other trade unionists the CWU grass roots have a reputation for being very hard to please and being demanding .

The bit about senior managers being up to the job is more of a case of managers possibly being a success in their own fields but a disaster out of it - it's a New Labour obsession with personalties - it's happened so many times - the public sector "reform " programme is flawed to say the least - look at the NHS and how it fails to deliver for the people it's supposed to serve

Post by **POSTMAN** » 11 Oct 2008, 19:54

johnnyp wrote:First time i saw this guy was last week when i went up for PDA training,he was presenting a video all about them.Dont really know to much about him to be honest.

Any probs with the PDA's,you'll find him here.....

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 11 Oct 2008, 20:00

POSTMAN wrote:
johnnyp wrote:First time i saw this guy was last week when i went up for PDA training,he was presenting a video all about them.Dont really know to much about him to be honest.
Any probs with the PDA's,you'll find him here.....

The trouble is POSTMAN is if we have no terms of referance on the use of PDA'S we could all find ourselfs in the same place!.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 11 Oct 2008, 20:02

Lets start a book on our next CEO,Natasha Kaplinski = 5-1 Gordon Ramsey 3-1,Bruce Forsyth-evens

Post by **darth** » 11 Oct 2008, 21:03

sarah palin she is not frightened to abuse her position,knows feck all.and she can see duetche post from her bedroom.she believes her lies.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 11 Oct 2008, 21:07

darth postie wrote:sarah palin she is not frightened to abuse her position,knows feck all.and she can see duetche post from her bedroom.she believes her lies.

God you will have 10000 royalmail manager's applying all at once!.

Post by **darth** » 11 Oct 2008, 21:22

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mailsort6 · Post by **mailsort6** » 11 Oct 2008, 22:35

With the government bailing-out Bradford and Bingley and Northern Rock, how is the government going to get the tax-payers money back? I have a funny feeling that the government will probably be looking at cutting public sector jobs and this to me is worrying where RM are concerned. In other words the less wages the government pay public sector workers the more they will save.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 12 Oct 2008, 05:18

mailsort6 wrote:With the government bailing-out Bradford and Bingley and Northern Rock, how is the government going to get the tax-payers money back? I have a funny feeling that the government will probably be looking at cutting public sector jobs and this to me is worrying where RM are concerned. In other words the less wages the government pay public sector workers the more they will save.

I am hoping that if he tried that there would be a huge backlash. The government is still the largest employer and for the past few years they have been putting pressure on keeping their wage claims down, if they tried to make even more savings with job losses and pay pressure, the bad feeling and calls for "justice" (in the political/treatment sense) would get louder and louder.

The one bad thing is that in a recession people will quite rightly be scared for the jobs and will accept even worse conditions just to stay in a paid job. This is OK and understandable in the short term, but in the long term sometimes its better to fight your corner just like we did last year. Ok the agreement is a pile of pants but what we got was an improvement on what was offered. No pay rise, D2Ds absorbed into normal pay and work, withdrawal of shift allowance, attendance procedure made tougher and cancellation of the MTSF agreement.