work your payed hours

woofwoof · Post by **woofwoof** » 23 Sep 2008, 18:47

we are been told we must work all our payed hours if we do that we are breaking the 3 and half hour delivery span so whats the ruling on the 3 and half hour delivery span or working your payed hours

as our office is in the mail centre we leave the office around 9 at the latest so if we say we are not going past the 3 and half hour delivery span but are still on pay how do we stand on this issue

not me · Post by **not me** » 23 Sep 2008, 19:14

depends,how does your office run?
do you return to the MC or go home and pouch off?
how is phase 3 being implemented in your DO/MC?

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 23 Sep 2008, 19:54

what about absorbing indoor work?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 23 Sep 2008, 20:11

Have you spotted a big flaw in the agreements. The current national agreement says a delivery span should not exceed 3.5 hours, but says nothing about doing 2 deliveries and if combined are they allowed to go over the 3.5 hours.

As per previous suggestions I would get the rep to make a local agreement where available during normal working hours that indoor work is absorbed.

Although you could just walk slower and make sure you finish at your duty at the correct finishing time.

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 24 Sep 2008, 14:55

TrueBlueTerrier wrote: Although you could just walk slower and make sure you finish at your duty at the correct finishing time.

This is the odd thing about removing job and finish...no one is doing any extra work - everyone just slows down. Ive been told that no other company would pay you for hours youre not actually working, maybe true...but RM have to be the only company that pay more to people who are slow and crap at the job.

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 24 Sep 2008, 16:02

pickaname wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote: Although you could just walk slower and make sure you finish at your duty at the correct finishing time.
This is the odd thing about removing job and finish...no one is doing any extra work - everyone just slows down. Ive been told that no other company would pay you for hours youre not actually working, maybe true...but RM have to be the only company that pay more to people who are slow and crap at the job.

I've always found that stange but whenever you consider how management works, it always pays to be incompetent.

silverback · Post by **silverback** » 24 Sep 2008, 16:08

pickaname wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote: Although you could just walk slower and make sure you finish at your duty at the correct finishing time.
This is the odd thing about removing job and finish...no one is doing any extra work - everyone just slows down. Ive been told that no other company would pay you for hours youre not actually working, maybe true...but RM have to be the only company that pay more to people who are slow and crap at the job.

Slow and crap at the job? A lot of hardworking people at my DO are slower than the new comers BUT their missorts, miss delivered items and complaints against them are a lot less than the staff who race around like headless chickens. These people are assisting RM in ruining the reputation of the company that long serving members of staff have helped to build up over the years. Quality of service v headless chickens. No contest in my book.

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 24 Sep 2008, 16:52

silverback wrote:
pickaname wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote: Although you could just walk slower and make sure you finish at your duty at the correct finishing time.
This is the odd thing about removing job and finish...no one is doing any extra work - everyone just slows down. Ive been told that no other company would pay you for hours youre not actually working, maybe true...but RM have to be the only company that pay more to people who are slow and crap at the job.
Slow and crap at the job? A lot of hardworking people at my DO are slower than the new comers BUT their missorts, miss delivered items and complaints against them are a lot less than the staff who race around like headless chickens. These people are assisting RM in ruining the reputation of the company that long serving members of staff have helped to build up over the years. Quality of service v headless chickens. No contest in my book.

I was talking about the people that are out there till 5 or 6 o'clock...you dont have to be a headless chicken to finish on time or cut off, but you do have to be crap to book 3 hours pressure every day.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 24 Sep 2008, 16:59

pickaname wrote: I was talking about the people that are out there till 5 or 6 o'clock...you dont have to be a headless chicken to finish on time or cut off, but you do have to be crap to book 3 hours pressure every day.

We have one of them at my office, the not so strange thing is that he is top of the leader board for complaints. Coincidence

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 24 Sep 2008, 19:06

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
pickaname wrote: I was talking about the people that are out there till 5 or 6 o'clock...you dont have to be a headless chicken to finish on time or cut off, but you do have to be crap to book 3 hours pressure every day.
We have one of them at my office, the not so strange thing is that he is top of the leader board for complaints. Coincidence

Well this is royalmail's own doing as it has come too my attention that management have been told that any idiot can deliver the post and the cheeper the better!. YOU PAY PEANUTS YOU GET MONKEY'S AND THAT APPLY'S TO MANAGEMENT AS WELL!. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE TWO :lfo & :cfo OVERPAID BABOON'S!.

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » 24 Sep 2008, 19:31

4hrs is the maximum for outdoor work with 15mins travel to your walk and 15mins pouch off time so leaving you with 3.5hrs delivery. You don't combine two walks, this is based on health and safety agreements, like having a place to take a break away from the work area and toilet facilities. Plus the fact it would probably KILL YOU!!!

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 24 Sep 2008, 19:57

Phantom wrote:4hrs is the maximum for outdoor work with 15mins travel to your walk and 15mins pouch off time so leaving you with 3.5hrs delivery. You don't combine two walks, this is based on health and safety agreements, like having a place to take a break away from the work area and toilet facilities. Plus the fact it would probably KILL YOU!!!

What is pouch off?

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 24 Sep 2008, 20:02

pickaname wrote:
Phantom wrote:4hrs is the maximum for outdoor work with 15mins travel to your walk and 15mins pouch off time so leaving you with 3.5hrs delivery. You don't combine two walks, this is based on health and safety agreements, like having a place to take a break away from the work area and toilet facilities. Plus the fact it would probably KILL YOU!!!
What is pouch off?

Some office's have an agreement to pouch off ie( to put mail in postbox or postoffice if it has not been shut down for good) some other office's have a return to office agreement!.

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 24 Sep 2008, 21:39

So how do they know that youre not going home early?

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 24 Sep 2008, 21:41

k979aaa wrote:
pickaname wrote:
Phantom wrote:4hrs is the maximum for outdoor work with 15mins travel to your walk and 15mins pouch off time so leaving you with 3.5hrs delivery. You don't combine two walks, this is based on health and safety agreements, like having a place to take a break away from the work area and toilet facilities. Plus the fact it would probably KILL YOU!!!
What is pouch off?
Some office's have an agreement to pouch off ie( to put mail in postbox or postoffice if it has not been shut down for good) some other office's have a return to office agreement!.

Some offices you do it anyway and argue the logical toss "so at xmas when my bag is full of P739's you want me to return to the office"