OVERTIME/less money more u do? reported posts

[k979aaa]

Yes, it was a massive stitch up and to do with the 48hr rule HERE
Some how because of the rule,it was agreed that the overtime should drop after a certain amount of hours
We are if i'm not mistaken NOT ALLOWED to work longer than 48hrs, which is why we sign the opt out at Xmas.
Which curiously we did not do in our office this year I've just remembered that!
Why and how it was agreed is beyond me.
Also you're supposed to have a break of a certain amount of time between shifts,but that's gone out of the window as well.
So for all those doing mass docket,RM is breaking the law.

Awaits reply from Docketman

It is not illegal to work over 48 hours a week, it is illegal for your employer to require you to work over 48 hours a week. Hence you can opt out and choose to work over 48 hrs if you like :) This is covered by the EU Working Time Directive.

Can you be forced to work over 40 hour's till 48 then?.

No mate Overtime is still voluntary and NO ONE will be made to work over there contracted hours per week.

Does any contract issued in the past or recently have any claim to make people work overtime in time's of need ie christmas!.

[PhilthyPhil]

Yes, it was a massive stitch up and to do with the 48hr rule HERE
Some how because of the rule,it was agreed that the overtime should drop after a certain amount of hours
We are if i'm not mistaken NOT ALLOWED to work longer than 48hrs, which is why we sign the opt out at Xmas.
Which curiously we did not do in our office this year I've just remembered that!
Why and how it was agreed is beyond me.
Also you're supposed to have a break of a certain amount of time between shifts,but that's gone out of the window as well.
So for all those doing mass docket,RM is breaking the law.

Awaits reply from Docketman

It is not illegal to work over 48 hours a week, it is illegal for your employer to require you to work over 48 hours a week. Hence you can opt out and choose to work over 48 hrs if you like :) This is covered by the EU Working Time Directive.

Can you be forced to work over 40 hour's till 48 then?.

No mate Overtime is still voluntary and NO ONE will be made to work over there contracted hours per week.

But it would be legal to have up to 48 contracted hrs :)

Interestingly it does say in my contract "...it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work overtime... as the needs of the service demand." so maybe it is possible to be forced to do overtime

[johnnyp]

I dont think so friend,we have members at our place who opt out of the xmas pressure by puting it in writing a few weeks before we start.Trouble is they end up doing the work for nothing in the past,may be different this year though.

[k979aaa]

Yes, it was a massive stitch up and to do with the 48hr rule HERE
Some how because of the rule,it was agreed that the overtime should drop after a certain amount of hours
We are if i'm not mistaken NOT ALLOWED to work longer than 48hrs, which is why we sign the opt out at Xmas.
Which curiously we did not do in our office this year I've just remembered that!
Why and how it was agreed is beyond me.
Also you're supposed to have a break of a certain amount of time between shifts,but that's gone out of the window as well.
So for all those doing mass docket,RM is breaking the law.

Awaits reply from Docketman

It is not illegal to work over 48 hours a week, it is illegal for your employer to require you to work over 48 hours a week. Hence you can opt out and choose to work over 48 hrs if you like :) This is covered by the EU Working Time Directive.

Can you be forced to work over 40 hour's till 48 then?.

Same as mine but as yet since the year i started have not put it too the test as yet nor had too!.

No mate Overtime is still voluntary and NO ONE will be made to work over there contracted hours per week.

But it would be legal to have up to 48 contracted hrs :)

Interestingly it does say in my contract "...it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work overtime... as the needs of the service demand." so maybe it is possible to be forced to do overtime

[k979aaa]

Yes, it was a massive stitch up and to do with the 48hr rule HERE
Some how because of the rule,it was agreed that the overtime should drop after a certain amount of hours
We are if i'm not mistaken NOT ALLOWED to work longer than 48hrs, which is why we sign the opt out at Xmas.
Which curiously we did not do in our office this year I've just remembered that!
Why and how it was agreed is beyond me.
Also you're supposed to have a break of a certain amount of time between shifts,but that's gone out of the window as well.
So for all those doing mass docket,RM is breaking the law.

Awaits reply from Docketman

It is not illegal to work over 48 hours a week, it is illegal for your employer to require you to work over 48 hours a week. Hence you can opt out and choose to work over 48 hrs if you like :) This is covered by the EU Working Time Directive.

Can you be forced to work over 40 hour's till 48 then?.

No mate Overtime is still voluntary and NO ONE will be made to work over there contracted hours per week.

But it would be legal to have up to 48 contracted hrs :)

Interestingly it does say in my contract "...it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work overtime... as the needs of the service demand." so maybe it is possible to be forced to do overtime

It says the same in my contract and i have never put it too the test yet but i can see it this year!.

[Wild Cat]

I gave up doing overtime ages ago,as you are effectively prostituting yourself as casual labour over 40 hours.

Those who do large amounts of docket in my experience are the cnuts who will do anything including selling their grandmother for a couple of hours,and are usually found sniffing around the DUM like a dog on heat to make sure nobody else gets in first.

Perhaps if overtime was paid at double rate it would be worth doing a few hours occasionally.

Doing large docket leads to a short term increase in wages,which in turn leads to an increase in spending,further leading to a dependancy on the docket for sustainability......you are now hooked on docket and will be at the DUM's beck and call for anything he needs doing,when you feel like telling him to fcuk off!

Get rid of the docket,get rid of the need,live to your means and tell the DUM to stick it where the sun don't shine,I do it every day and it feels great watching the mugs.

[BELIAL]

Spot on Wildcat

[majeed]

Why did the union agree to the current pay deal, i.e, we get paid less for doing more?

[k979aaa]

Why did the union agree to the current pay deal, i.e, we get paid less for doing more?

This was done year's ago " THE WAY FORWARD AGREEMENT OF 2001" started it all!. I can remember the day's of double time saturday and good friday's!

[majeed]

You talk about time-and-a-half (which is an recognised practice): my wage slip shows that we get time-minus-a-fifth for overtime over ten hours.

Two questions:

(a) Is the idea to encourage us to work less?
(b) Can these hours be reallocated elsewhere, i.e. towards other staff members?

[k979aaa]

You talk about time-and-a-half (which is an recognised practice): my wage slip shows that we get time-minus-a-fifth for overtime over ten hours.

Two questions:

(a) Is the idea to encourage us to work less?
(b) Can these hours be reallocated elsewhere, i.e. towards other staff members?

I think they wanted to have less reliance on overtime but when your pay does not keep up with inflation it's a fat lot of good to us all!.

[mrlovepantsuk]

Those who do large amounts of docket in my experience are the cnuts who will do anything including selling their grandmother for a couple of hours,and are usually found sniffing around the DUM like a dog on heat to make sure nobody else gets in first.

or perhaps some of us are doing it to pay the bills so that we dont get our houses repossed.
i suggest you find out why people do things before you get abusive, we are afterall supposed to be on the same side.

[majeed]

I do overtime to help out. It also helps with the small basic I take home each week. It's a nice feeling to help managers and posties alike out of a tight spot.

[k979aaa]

I do overtime to help out. It also helps with the small basic I take home each week. It's a nice feeling to help managers and posties alike out of a tight spot.

But most of all help yourself and don't give a fu*k about the management as they don't care about you only that the job get's done!.Question "majeed" are you part-time or not?.

[BELIAL]

Cut jobs ,save money,longer walks more cut offs,get some help Cut more jobs,save more...........