Local Agreements

[faithlilly]

Can anyone tell me whether local agreements have to be adhered to by Royal Mail management or if they are at liberty to disregard them when it suits them ?

[johnnyp]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

[faithlilly]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

Thanks Johnny. My OH has just lost his appeal against dismissal because he was informed that management didn't have to adhere to a local agreement regarding AOD because it was not official Royal Mail policy.

[k979aaa]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

Thanks Johnny. My OH has just lost his appeal against dismissal because he was informed that management didn't have to adhere to a local agreement regarding AOD because it was not official Royal Mail policy.

Was this appeal a royalmail cover up!. I say this as you still have the right to an employment tribunal go see your rep or an employment solicitor and good luck to both of you!.

[norbert]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

Thanks Johnny. My OH has just lost his appeal against dismissal because he was informed that management didn't have to adhere to a local agreement regarding AOD because it was not official Royal Mail policy.

Was this appeal a royalmail cover up!. I say this as you still have the right to an employment tribunal go see your rep or an employment solicitor and good luck to both of you!.

IMO , I wouldn't bother with appeals - the orders from on high is to not undermine local management and it will and it must be 60/40 % FT-PT .

The problem is if you did that , you'd be branded as a trigger - happy troublemaker for not going through that rank closing sham .

Unless RM can prove negligence and they've been known to pull stunts - Detriment for H & S issues is a serious offence punishable in ET's .

I get the impression that RM play the percentage game in the hope that people are that sick and worn down by it all and don't give RM any trouble , though I think these stitch ups are to teach people a lesson for giving RM a H&S problem - it's all based on bullying , they've always been autocratic & regarded themselves above the law but there's a long line of cause and effect with :lfo & :cfo in charge now .

[faithlilly]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

Thanks Johnny. My OH has just lost his appeal against dismissal because he was informed that management didn't have to adhere to a local agreement regarding AOD because it was not official Royal Mail policy.

Was this appeal a royalmail cover up!. I say this as you still have the right to an employment tribunal go see your rep or an employment solicitor and good luck to both of you!.

It certainly was K9. We are waiting for the CWU now to decide whether we have a strong enough case to go to tribunal at the moment.

[lovejoy]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

Thanks Johnny. My OH has just lost his appeal against dismissal because he was informed that management didn't have to adhere to a local agreement regarding AOD because it was not official Royal Mail policy.

Was this appeal a royalmail cover up!. I say this as you still have the right to an employment tribunal go see your rep or an employment solicitor and good luck to both of you!.

IMO , I wouldn't bother with appeals - the orders from on high is to not undermine local management and it will and it must be 60/40 % FT-PT .

The problem is if you did that , you'd be branded as a trigger - happy troublemaker for not going through that rank closing sham .

Unless RM can prove negligence and they've been known to pull stunts - Detriment for H & S issues is a serious offence punishable in ET's .

I get the impression that RM play the percentage game in the hope that people are that sick and worn down by it all and don't give RM any trouble , though I think these stitch ups are to teach people a lesson for giving RM a H&S problem - it's all based on bullying , they've always been autocratic & regarded themselves above the law but there's a long line of cause and effect with :lfo & :cfo in charge now .

The only trouble is you have to exhaust the internal procedures (including appeal) before you can lawfully go to a Tribunal

[norbert]

Local Agreements should be adhered to by Royal Mail management as should national agreements If they dont then there is a good chance unrest may prevaile amongst the workforce which could result in anything up to and including strike action.

Thanks Johnny. My OH has just lost his appeal against dismissal because he was informed that management didn't have to adhere to a local agreement regarding AOD because it was not official Royal Mail policy.

Was this appeal a royalmail cover up!. I say this as you still have the right to an employment tribunal go see your rep or an employment solicitor and good luck to both of you!.

IMO , I wouldn't bother with appeals - the orders from on high is to not undermine local management and it will and it must be 60/40 % FT-PT .

The problem is if you did that , you'd be branded as a trigger - happy troublemaker for not going through that rank closing sham .

Unless RM can prove negligence and they've been known to pull stunts - Detriment for H & S issues is a serious offence punishable in ET's .

I get the impression that RM play the percentage game in the hope that people don't give RM any trouble , though I think these stitch ups are to teach people a lesson for giving RM a H&S problem - it's all based on bullying , they've always been autocratic & regarded themselves above the law but there's a long line of cause and effect with :lfo & :cfo in charge now .

The only trouble is you have to exhaust the internal procedures (including appeal) before you can lawfully go to a Tribunal

I agree , RM know this - as far as they are concerned they are not undermining local managers by closing ranks - it's all to spin out time , be obstructive and unnecessarily hostile and defensive .

The problem is despite this ruthless commercializm , RM still have a management structure that runs for the benefit of the managers inside it instead of trying to run a business . Their Senior & Area Managers have to be fed with what they want to hear in the "Alice in Wonderland " RM world .

Usual story when you go commercial , the worst of the two cultures :lfo :cfo

At one time you didn't get all this nonsense , the Union eventually got people back after some time after dodgy stitch ups , the CWU got their propaganda and the unfortunate posties got their back pay for RM's instuitionalized stupidity .

It meant local managers being thrown to the wolves in Independent appeals but RM then realized they might not get fed with what they wanted to hear

Also they seem to hope that people are that sick and tired of RM that they won't give them any problems , a form of bullying to wear people down . If that doesn't work they've always got their lawyers to get them out of the corner they bloody -mindedly insist on backing themselves into .