The result and Voting members - Legacy to 'New'

[yellowbelly]

From the LTB pushed out by the Union re the result, if I've worked it out correctly there are:

89,939 'Legacy' employees who are CWU members

15750 'New' employees who are CWU members

Just for interest.....

Result LTB, it's a 'Yes' on both counts:

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... itions.pdf

[Duesouth]

Turnout for this ballot was 32.3%!

That's a poor show.

[A2B]

Turnout for this ballot was 32.3%!

That's a poor show.

People don't like voting against their own union but I think the low vote tells it's own story

[blacov]

It was almost guaranteed it will be a yes vote with embarassing turnout. People gave up on the union since the last botched IA. Those who at least bothered to cast their vote may not work in deliveries, but they can see the 3% pay rise carrot dangling very well. Job is gone to the wall already so lets at least pocket little change if they still offer anything. This is how it is likely decied.

[tramssirhc]

Around 10% of the workforce have chosen what the other 90% will be doing. That's not any democracy, that's CWU democracy.

[norris9]

Low turnout is likely because a lot of legacy staff are on the verge of leaving and a hell of a lot of 'new' contract staff are only here short term....

as well as that, most posties probably don't even know what's going on as the union never properly explained the differences clearly and simply between the 2 methods trialled.

I have no idea if this heavy and light model is any good as I have not trialled it, so it was hard to make a vote on it not really knowing how well it is or isn't going to work.

[Peabrain22]

I read somewhere that the weekly paid will soon be getting paid monthly and that it will "just happen overnight"

[qwerty2]

I read somewhere that the weekly paid will soon be getting paid monthly and that it will "just happen overnight"

So they can cut admin jobs
Managers next hopefully

[toonshola]

That turnout is embarrassing for such a big change. Shows how much most the staff have pretty much given up on the job and the union. The workforce is full of people just marking time until retirement or those just here until they find something else.
Let the chaos of DM26 begin.

[WalkerX]

That turnout is embarrassing for such a big change. Shows how much most the staff have pretty much given up on the job and the union. The workforce is full of people just marking time until retirement or those just here until they find something else.
Let the chaos of DM26 begin.

Pretty much this.

[Perseus]

Low turnout is likely because a lot of legacy staff are on the verge of leaving and a hell of a lot of 'new' contract staff are only here short term....

as well as that, most posties probably don't even know what's going on as the union never properly explained the differences clearly and simply between the 2 methods trialled.

I have no idea if this heavy and light model is any good as I have not trialled it, so it was hard to make a vote on it not really knowing how well it is or isn't going to work.

We've had no union input at a local level but I still found enough information online, for instance the 26 page appendix document and spending 20 minutes reading that was enough for me to see that it won't work in our unit. We have the 'advantage' of having being poorly staffed for ages and with many of the remaining staff having quietly quit a long while ago, so we've been unofficially doing versions of ODM/DM26. The only glimmer of hope, the extra Saturdays off looks like a pipe dream so for that reason it was an easy no. Our manager has zero idea how the Saturdays will work.
Quite a few staff in ours wanted a no vote but hadn't voted yet as of a few days ago, a mix of apathy and this strange condition where they are happy for others to decide for them - yet they spend most of their mornings complaining about how sh!t the job is.

[SpacePhoenix]

That turnout is embarrassing for such a big change. Shows how much most the staff have pretty much given up on the job and the union. The workforce is full of people just marking time until retirement or those just here until they find something else.
Let the chaos of DM26 begin.

Probably a lot of delivery staff know that either way they are being sold down the river.

[Sean06]

It was almost guaranteed it will be a yes vote with embarassing turnout. People gave up on the union since the last botched IA. Those who at least bothered to cast their vote may not work in deliveries, but they can see the 3% pay rise carrot dangling very well. Job is gone to the wall already so lets at least pocket little change if they still offer anything. This is how it is likely decied.

The payrise was nothing to do with the ballot .

[A2B]

The payrise was nothing to do with the ballot .

Yes that's what were told but either the latest email from CWU is either extremely badly worded or it was tied to a yes vote

As this agreement has now been confirmed, the 3% pay rise for old contracts will be paid on the 5th of June for weekly paid workers and by 30th of June for monthly paid

[TopperGas]

It was almost guaranteed it will be a yes vote with embarassing turnout. People gave up on the union since the last botched IA. Those who at least bothered to cast their vote may not work in deliveries, but they can see the 3% pay rise carrot dangling very well. Job is gone to the wall already so lets at least pocket little change if they still offer anything. This is how it is likely decied.

The payrise was nothing to do with the ballot .

But the latest CWU update now infers it was? If it wasn't then why wait until the week after the vote to pay it??