A Few things to consider !

[norris9]

10. The risk is also in 3 years when the legal guarantees are up for review that EP and Royal Mail decide that the 11% of mail which is actually USO traffic will be delivered by a much reduced level of employees and everything else parcels and tracked by self employed drivers.


Isn't this inevitable, if not in 3 years, probably within 10 years. Hopefully in 3 years time it leads to voluntary redundancy payoffs.

[Perseus]

Already maxed out, sorry.
If the only solution to keeping the lights on is to give (some) staff 1/3 more work for no more money, then whats the point.
Not my job to keep the company viable, I like many many others do more than enough.

[Mr Rush]

Remember, vote yes to choose the direction of travel!

[TopperGas]

10. The risk is also in 3 years when the legal guarantees are up for review that EP and Royal Mail decide that the 11% of mail which is actually USO traffic will be delivered by a much reduced level of employees and everything else parcels and tracked by self employed drivers.


Isn't this inevitable, if not in 3 years, probably within 10 years. Hopefully in 3 years time it leads to voluntary redundancy payoffs.

If they don't give VR or CR then they are going to be stuck with too many permanent employees to deliver the ever reducing mail, as they can't force us to expect SE status, MR must know this so para 10 is irrelevant.

[postmanplod2026]

the jobs pish now so im more likely to vote no, nothing to lose its already that f***ing crap nothing to hold onto perks nothing, what has the union done for us lately or anyone

[postslippete]

Martin

I'm struggling with the messaging of vote YES or face catastrophe.

Are you really suggesting that the extra 3,500 walks and support duties that RM will put in has been some sort of concession won by the CWU?
These extra walks and support duties are being presented as major gains but I wonder whether it's simply the minimum resource needed to stop DM26 from collapsing on day 1.

Adding walks does not automatically reduce the total workload, it just changes how the workload is distributed and when it is delivered. If mail is rolled over or traffic is shifted, somebody still has to deliver it and the real question is whether any model genuinely creates capacity or whether it relies on overtime, support duties and extra staffing to stop pressure simply reappearing elsewhere.

Obviously RM don't want a public operational disaster in the first few months, but my concern isn't about month 1 but month 18. What happens after deployment when it's been signed off and cost pressure returns because many of us have already seen heavily resourced models slowly drift southwards before.

[darkgable]

Great ! So the union want everyone to vote yes even though . The actuall postmen and women on the street,Know full well this will not work. we Have been killing ourselves physically for years. The the union should start doing the job they are actually paid to to do . REPRESENT ITS MEMBERS ! Instead of looking after its own interests . Thats why thier is a strong oposition to this terrible deal !

[world class male]

When voting !

guessing you will be hoping for another very low turn-out

funny how we cannot shut you up when you are scrapping for your own lives in the top office, most i know already fear the worst,
you promised the world to new entrants last vote and now you expect to accept another "1ST step" for them?

perhaps you ought to think deeper into the last few years of the failed talks that there is only 1 common demoninater .....go on think on
then ask them all to resign because the are not up to the job

[Sean06]

Great ! So the union want everyone to vote yes even though . The actuall postmen and women on the street,Know full well this will not work. we Have been killing ourselves physically for years. The the union should start doing the job they are actually paid to to do . REPRESENT ITS MEMBERS ! Instead of looking after its own interests . Thats why thier is a strong oposition to this terrible deal !

Why have you been killing yourself physically for years??

[darkgable]

Great ! So the union want everyone to vote yes even though . The actuall postmen and women on the street,Know full well this will not work. we Have been killing ourselves physically for years. The the union should start doing the job they are actually paid to to do . REPRESENT ITS MEMBERS ! Instead of looking after its own interests . Thats why thier is a strong oposition to this terrible deal !

Why have you been killing yourself physically for years??

Its a metaphor fella ! relax

[Chelseablue]

Martin , we cannot do anymore , the workforce is pi ssd off , tired and fed up of you lot dictating to us , when you have no idea what the job entails now. Theres so much to the job now , just made an easy job , near impossible now. Staff leaving, and nobody stays.

[rmchat112]

When voting !

1. USO reform is not optional. Ofcom changed the regulations on 28th July. Royal Mail are granted a licence by Ofcom to deliver the USO , they are currently operating outside that licence. The company has commercially and lawful commitments and this cannot continue. Hence why they activated the Dispute Resolution Process in January.

2. Voting no will not result in the status quo. It is more probable to lead to executive action and the CWU will have to react to any imposition.

3. Voting no , will not mean that you suddenly don’t have 4 into 3 , it is more likely to mean that you get 4 into 3 without the extra 3500 walks, the 20 thousand rural and firms routes having their work recorded and without 6000 part time to full time uplifts.

4. Voting no will likely mean you won’t have a resign which is in the agreement , or the option to select the duties in your unit or keep your Wallingtons.

5. Voting no will mean that there is no protection from compulsory redundancies as there is no agreement and that new entrants would not be entitled to MTSF as the agreement has been rejected.

6. Voting will mean that you work the ODM model with all the mail being delivered by the van sharing pair Monday to Friday and the singleton driver doing first class and parcels for two duties. As opposed to the heavy and light model of DM26.

7. DM26 has downdialed the saving from ODM. 20% of routes taken out of scope.3500 walks back in.The opportunity for 6000 new full time jobs. A no vote stops all of that but it does not stop USO reform.

8. There is no magic money tree. This company is facing a cross roads , letter decline and customers downgrading to economy alongside parcels growing but revenue from parcels falling due to every other operator employing self employed drivers which get paid a price per parcel but not a wage, no pension , no holiday , no sick pay.

9. Voting no may seem a good idea and may get a few likes , fist emojis and some good comments but it is the road to oblivion and there is no way this union can allow Royal Mail to impose change or walk away totally from equalisation.

10. The risk is also in 3 years when the legal guarantees are up for review that EP and Royal Mail decide that the 11% of mail which is actually USO traffic will be delivered by a much reduced level of employees and everything else parcels and tracked by self employed drivers.

The stakes are higher than they have ever been and I would seriously ask you to not be taken in by political parties who are not elected only have an agenda of progressing their parties beliefs , have never fought for the members or by individuals who hide behind anonymous names who may not even work for the company. Don’t let those influence your vote especially those are not prepared to fight any executive action which will follow.for the company ,

Martin thanks for your post and your open communications - whether we or i agree with you or not have to let you know that at the very least you being on this forum and commenting and posting is important and i appreciated .

just a few points to mention - I don't have dates or time scales but but certain things had been promised in years gone by that were supposed to have been resolved but for some reason not mentions or updates from the CWU about these promises:

1. the sick pay issue - I thought it was to be looked at whereby sick pay on previous terms would be being reinstated at some point, ie not putting us on ssp where applicable for first few days of absence or whatever it is that the case may be, i thought we was fighting for reinstatement of full sick pay as per previous procedure ?

2. overtime rates for legacy staff - again was supposed to be being resolved to make improvements to the rate??? - not a dick bird about this either on any cwu updates ???

3. Also the long promised for many years the the so called elusive 35 hour working week - we were supposed to be getting a reduction in working hours from 37 to the promised 35 at some point.


Any thoughts or comments please @Martin Walsh ???

[tramssirhc]

Take this fear mongering with a large pinch of salt. Don't let a bloke who couldn't do our job try to scare you into voting for his idea of how the job can be done. This is the same Martin Walsh who said that there was no alternative to ODM but then dreamt up DM26 with a load of other CWU official who can't do our jobs.

Vote the way you want. Ignore Walsh. He's a bust flush. When it comes to his reelection just remember what he's selling.

[funkflex55]

Martin

I'm struggling with the messaging of vote YES or face catastrophe.

Are you really suggesting that the extra 3,500 walks and support duties that RM will put in has been some sort of concession won by the CWU?
These extra walks and support duties are being presented as major gains but I wonder whether it's simply the minimum resource needed to stop DM26 from collapsing on day 1.

Adding walks does not automatically reduce the total workload, it just changes how the workload is distributed and when it is delivered. If mail is rolled over or traffic is shifted, somebody still has to deliver it and the real question is whether any model genuinely creates capacity or whether it relies on overtime, support duties and extra staffing to stop pressure simply reappearing elsewhere.

Obviously RM don't want a public operational disaster in the first few months, but my concern isn't about month 1 but month 18. What happens after deployment when it's been signed off and cost pressure returns because many of us have already seen heavily resourced models slowly drift southwards before.

Has anyone considered the more long term effects of this?

It's being rolled out from now and obviously it'll be a great success and not because it's good but because it'll be ODM26 but with current staffing. Meaning in a lot of cases it'll still be 4 staff 4 walks. The spares picking up all the inevitable failures and f**k ups daily.

The problem is after it's deemed a success and then the staffing gets cut to 3 covering 4 you'll lose all those firefighters and then the s**t really hits the frames.

[Valentina@1]

Remember all the promises MW made in his quest for everyone to vote him into his deputy roll,if someone could find that document and put it on here,it’s definitely not aged well,all he’s done is continuously gaslight and scare monger members and defend management,I was one of the people hoodwinked by all his spill and voted for him

Sad times