Why some posties might be voting YES

[Perseus]

In my office people seem to think non drivers arnt allowed to sign into shared vans. HCT duties for them only. Is this right? Something about them needing to be moved onto the drivers duty in the three when they are off

Well, it does make a bit of sense when you think about the Saturday operation - you need to able to do packets and 1C over 2 duties - how does all that fit in a HCT?
Or perhaps they will send someone out with an HCT and do duty A, then come back and refill and do duty B, packets and 1C.

[Mr Rush]

If it’s 3 into 4 then how do they decide who loses their duty?……somebody has to

There should be a repick just the same as if duties were taken out in revisions of old. It's the only fair way.

And with the number of people that have chucked it, having a single year of service puts you a third of the way up the seniority list these days so newbies can't exactly complain about how unfair seniority is anymore.

[yellowbelly]

................ and that there won't be any re-pick. ..............

Surely with the amount of upheaval/duty change it's a major change and thereby a repick?

And as someone else has mentioned repicks are mentioned in the gumpf the union put out about this world beating deal.

[TopperGas]

In my office people seem to think non drivers arnt allowed to sign into shared vans. HCT duties for them only. Is this right? Something about them needing to be moved onto the drivers duty in the three when they are off

Well, it does make a bit of sense when you think about the Saturday operation - you need to able to do packets and 1C over 2 duties - how does all that fit in a HCT?
Or perhaps they will send someone out with an HCT and do duty A, then come back and refill and do duty B, packets and 1C.

I thought Saturday's were solely van duties hence why it was suggested non drivers would be prepping D2D's etc on a Saturday?

[tramssirhc]

Our rep has been round the office in the last few weeks and I have a feeling that some posties will be voting YES. What is being communicated are seniors and those on the singletons/firms staying on their own duties and that there won't be any re-pick. I have concerns that what this will do is create an even bigger two-tier operation with some duties remaining relatively protected and stable while the paired/urban duties become the shock absorbers for lapsing, double mail, staff shortages and daily chaos.

The economics of the model partly rely on those supposedly protected duties "occasionally" being redeployed to support the office. Can I really see this happening or will the burden always fall disproportionately on the paired up delivery duties? Most managers are known for avoiding confrontation and tend to leave those "established" duties untouched. I'm seeing DOM26 as "ODM with softer language" and I have no doubt that the operational pressure will be concentrated on the same group of people.

While reps are supposed to ensure fairness and prevent offices becoming unbalanced, the outcome depends less on any national agreement and more on who holds influence, who gets protected, who gets flexibility imposed on them and whether management has a backbone to redistribute the workload fairly.

The change should be as easy possible with minimal disruption. However 1 in 4 duties will not require an opg so in all likelihood there will be a need to advertise the duties for picking in seniority order.

The singleton duties, not the opg on their own in the pod of 3, will not be delivering a full duty. Monday to Friday is half heavy, half light. Two reasons for this. One, the delivery profile of the traffic changes, two, it creates resource to assist indoor and outdoors. There is no hiding place for any duty.

The CWU have pushed responsibility for making DM26 work down to the lowest level possible. This is to insulate the full time release reps from any blame if it doesn't work.

[norris9]

There are so many people who have to move walks there has to be a repick surely.

Wasn't there a post a while back speculating that RM want to let the DOM decide who gets what walk?

Oh and I voted early and I voted no

A change of this scale constitutes a "structural revision," which legally and contractually triggers a repick based on seniority.

It’s a "legal" requirement because the National Agreement is a promised contract that the company cannot just decide to ignore whenever they feel like it.

If the CWU allows a massive change like the USO reforms to happen without a seniority-based repick, they would be failing to enforce the very agreements they just signed.

[Perseus]

In my office people seem to think non drivers arnt allowed to sign into shared vans. HCT duties for them only. Is this right? Something about them needing to be moved onto the drivers duty in the three when they are off

Well, it does make a bit of sense when you think about the Saturday operation - you need to able to do packets and 1C over 2 duties - how does all that fit in a HCT?
Or perhaps they will send someone out with an HCT and do duty A, then come back and refill and do duty B, packets and 1C.

I thought Saturday's were solely van duties hence why it was suggested non drivers would be prepping D2D's etc on a Saturday?

You'd think so, but there will be 50-60% of current staffing levels on a Saturday and the expectation is that staff each take out 2 duties of parcels and 1C letters. Our driving staff will be taking out 2 duties of tracked and 1C but we have plenty HCT duties with basically no one to drive on them - all our drivers will be busy doing the other 2 duties. Who on earth does that?
Having staff working indoors prepping D2D on a Saturday seems a non starter given how much needs done OUTDOOR on a Saturday with far less staff.

[toonshola]

Deployment / Selection of Duties Principles
Once DOs have voted on and selected their respective attendance pattern and built the structures relating to the DM26 design principles, they will have the ability to:
Decide whether they wish to complete a temporary repick prior to deployment or Wait until the formal reviews have been completed and undertake a permanent repick
If DOs opt to wait and undertake a permanent repick they will complete a temporary matching exercise in the
Interim

The above is from the national agreement page 30. Looks as though there could even be two repicks if an office wished, temporary one followed by a permanent one once the changes “settles in”
It’s clear in black and white though that once the formal review is complete in your office there should be a repick. Don’t allow any reps to try fudge or weasel their way out of it to benefit themselves or their little office clique which happens all the time.
Repick is the only fair way for everyone to choose a duty once this all goes through.

[A2B]

Out of interest has anyone got close to selecting their attendance pattern yet?

I've read the famous you can keep your Wallington or rest day if you want but how does that work in the real world?

There's a couple of people at ours who say they will leave if they have to go onto a Wallington

[Playmail]

We have a thing printed out with duty patterns on and the manager has already used the line dont blame me for them its your union that has decided this. So if this thing comes in they are defo going to blame us for voting it in

[Playmail]

Its a no from me

[Valentina@1]

We have a thing printed out with duty patterns on and the manager has already used the line dont blame me for them its your union that has decided this. So if this thing comes in they are defo going to blame us for voting it in

Company will blsme union,union will say nembers voted it in

Sad times

[Perseus]

I see there is a new joint communication from RM/CWU testing the water to see if there are any volunteers to move office.

[raXor]

Company will blsme union,union will say nembers voted it in

Sad times

Indeed. Unfortunately, the union and management are in cahoots with each other. It's all rigged and the actual votes and outcome means absolutely nothing.

[Sean06]

Company will blsme union,union will say nembers voted it in

Sad times

Indeed. Unfortunately, the union and management are in cahoots with each other. It's all rigged and the actual votes and outcome means absolutely nothing.

Explain how its rigged?