Answer a few points

[Rommagic]

Less staff on saturdays.

[Perseus]

Someone asked a direct question on facebook live.

Q - What happens to non drivers on a Saturday.

MW replied - Under ODM they were to be made surplus, they would have had to do all mail Mon-Fri (so not surplus then?)
Under DM26 all 6000 non drivers have a role, it's a much better role.

That's it.


So, Martin, if you're reading this (or anyone else?) what is the role on a Saturday, as people in our office need to know.

He meant surplus on Saturdays plus more people will be off too
They could send all mech trays to prep instead of just 1st class
Prep d2ds
Deliver around the DO area
Help drivers out if they've got too much
Get sent to other offices
Get sent to MC
And not forgetting DW suggestion knock on OAPs to check on them!
We could do their shopping and gardening for them

But he hasn't, or won't reveal the role, despite about 10 people asking on the live chat. Some offices have very few/no non driving staff, others have lots.

It's not a case of drivers having too much on a Saturday, they will be doing duties '1' and '2' parcels. The 'plan' clearly allows for each person in on a Saturday to deliver parcels and 1C over 2 duties - how can a non driver do that? Surely not as 2 in a van delivering parcels over 4 duties, as that could easily be 300 DP's plus.

[TopperGas]

Someone asked a direct question on facebook live.

Q - What happens to non drivers on a Saturday.

MW replied - Under ODM they were to be made surplus, they would have had to do all mail Mon-Fri (so not surplus then?)
Under DM26 all 6000 non drivers have a role, it's a much better role.

That's it.


So, Martin, if you're reading this (or anyone else?) what is the role on a Saturday, as people in our office need to know.

He meant surplus on Saturdays plus more people will be off too
They could send all mech trays to prep instead of just 1st class
Prep d2ds
Deliver around the DO area
Help drivers out if they've got too much
Get sent to other offices
Get sent to MC
And not forgetting DW suggestion knock on OAPs to check on them!
We could do their shopping and gardening for them

There's no reasons why they can't deliver 1c mail and packets whilst the driver delivers the oversized, although that unlikely to help with their fatigue!

[Acca Dacca]

Someone asked a direct question on facebook live.

Q - What happens to non drivers on a Saturday.

MW replied - Under ODM they were to be made surplus, they would have had to do all mail Mon-Fri (so not surplus then?)
Under DM26 all 6000 non drivers have a role, it's a much better role.

That's it.


So, Martin, if you're reading this (or anyone else?) what is the role on a Saturday, as people in our office need to know.

He meant surplus on Saturdays plus more people will be off too
They could send all mech trays to prep instead of just 1st class
Prep d2ds
Deliver around the DO area
Help drivers out if they've got too much
Get sent to other offices
Get sent to MC
And not forgetting DW suggestion knock on OAPs to check on them!
We could do their shopping and gardening for them

He cant have just meant surplus on Sats as nothing has changed between ODM and DM26 in regards to Sats

[Perseus]

Over a huge area though? There is no way 2 people are being sent out in a van covering 1 or maybe 2 duties worth of packets on a Saturday - the work needing done vs staff numbers at their disposal simply won't allow for it. Remember, offices will be running at 50-60% current Saturday staffing levels.

The fact that no-one can answer what the definite role is, apart from 'better than before' seems bizarre.

[postmanplod2026]

just wait till someone phones in sick, it will no be 3 guys doing 4 duties it will be 3 guys doing 6 duties collections all over the place, be absolute carnage arguing amongst urselfs whos doing what, you'll probably want to jack it in,then more go off sick, be no where to hide no be just one duty u can hide behind anymore be trying to do everything all these different walks with guys u probably canna stand, can see it be 3 guys doing 6 reguarly finishing u off, fatigued to f**k, going with the volume of staff off sick every month lets face it will never just be 3 doing 4 which is bad enough, complete fantasy, blah blah has called in sick yous are going need to take that empty shite walk with the bad dogs as well, tough titties

[claretandblue]

just wait till someone phones in sick, it will no be 3 guys doing 4 duties it will be 3 guys doing 6 duties collections all over the place, be absolute carnage arguing amongst urselfs whos doing what, you'll probably want to jack it in,then more go off sick, be no where to hide no be just one duty u can hide behind anymore be trying to do everything all these different walks with guys u probably canna stand, can see it be 3 guys doing 6 reguarly finishing u off, fatigued to f**k, going with the volume of staff off sick every month lets face it will never just be 3 doing 4 which is bad enough, complete fantasy, blah blah has called in sick yous are going need to take that empty shite walk with the bad dogs as well, tough titties

According to the agreement, you are meant to have a surplus of staff to cover for this, what it doesn't say is what they do when everything is covered.

[ted_e_bear]

just wait till someone phones in sick, it will no be 3 guys doing 4 duties it will be 3 guys doing 6 duties collections all over the place, be absolute carnage arguing amongst urselfs whos doing what, you'll probably want to jack it in,then more go off sick, be no where to hide no be just one duty u can hide behind anymore be trying to do everything all these different walks with guys u probably canna stand, can see it be 3 guys doing 6 reguarly finishing u off, fatigued to f**k, going with the volume of staff off sick every month lets face it will never just be 3 doing 4 which is bad enough, complete fantasy, blah blah has called in sick yous are going need to take that empty shite walk with the bad dogs as well, tough titties

According to the agreement, you are meant to have a surplus of staff to cover for this, what it doesn't say is what they do when everything is covered.
There'll only be an initial surplus though won't there due to the new routine requiring less staff, when the excess have left/retired/gone sick and staffing levels are 'as required' then it'll be bare bones, plus it says they'll only address any excess when an office is running under the new system so if there's any excess it's at that point they'll be encouraged to move office etc.

[clashcityrocker]

There'll only be an initial surplus though won't there due to the new routine requiring less staff, when the excess have left/retired/gone sick and staffing levels are 'as required' then it'll be bare bones,

No.
Our required staffing level will maintain a surplus to cover area wide absences.

Whether that will be the reality or not only time will tell.

[scotchy1962]

I watched the CWU video on youtube last night, not all of it but enough to realise it was just about the same as 4 years ago, they put these things on and put no real effort into answering the tough questions, pretty vague in any they do reply too and makes it pretty obvious they no little to nothing about delivery nowadays.
They however do make it clear they want you to vote yes.
Although on here it would appear there's no chance of a yes vote, in reality the vast majority aren't on here, so you wouldn't know which way it will go.
I know there's a threat of imposing change from the company, but it couldn't be any worse than what they are offering, plus if the workforce aren't with you it's difficult for them to implement.
Anyhow i don't envy your choices and i really feel that you are now fighting both the company and union, who'd believe it?

[RuralVan]

Mail Centre will vote it in as per usual.

[Perseus]

Mail Centre will vote it in as per usual.

That is practically impossible unless nobody in DO's votes due to the 4 or 5 to 1 ratio of delivery to non delivery.
Apathy will vote it in, along with people in DO's who vote yes.
Believe me, when The CWU recommends a yes vote, they will get it from large numbers of offices whose support is unwavering - they will convince them that the ODM had been defeated, as per the placards they held up and the more 'hands on' reps of these offices will think they can make a go of it.
Not to mention people being offered a full time contract, people on single/rural duties who have amazingly now got it easier, non driving staff who have been saved from redundancy and look to have a good chance of any Saturday off they want. I could go on.

I imagine the turnout will be around 50%, as usual. The majority of them will vote yes and that will be that. Unless people use their vote.

[postmanplod2026]

all this it says this it says that about there must be enough cover, get a grip when has any of their so called rules been put in place not to be broken, look people are going go off sick and it will be 3 guys doing 6 likely, just likely its supposed to be seniority getting walks the now, yet new staff and managers favourites are moving up the ladder before guys with over 20 years service sitting around getting knocked pillar to post on all the hard walks, so lets be realistic its going be s**t. CWU whatever happened to your 7 in 8, its no really one walk ur signing for its 4 walks and possibly oh someones called in sick ill need to move u over to that 4 walks there instead of they 4 walks as everyone keeps calling in sick over there with all the tenemants and pitbulls and xbully dogs ur up next, operational needs

[ChrisMH]

Without all the information how can we make an informed decision? I find the lack of replies to questions staggering too!! Does anyone know what makes up the pay gap, which I understand to be in the region of £2, but what makes up the £2 aside from the £1.16 ph difference? I assume its to do with the delivery supplement given the comments in the opening post;

"This pay deal bring new entrants to 7.1% away from the same hourly rate away from old contracts. 13.2% away from the full equalisation from equalisation from the delivery supplement".

Even the branch secretary is unclear! What hope is there with this mess?

[Sean06]

Mail Centre will vote it in as per usual.

How???especially when delivery outnumber mc staff by at least 3-1 prob even higher.