Do we get a vote?

[dazzler123]

RM have stated that there will be a 'consultative ballot'.

Ok.

They'll be bringing it in as soon as they can.

From RM:

"QUALITY OF SERVICE IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE POSTAL UNIVERSAL SERVICE"

OUR DEPLOYMENT TIMELINE AND WHEN CUSTOMERS WILL SEE IMPROVEMENTS

Introducing our new delivery model will improve
reliability, but these improvements won’t happen
overnight. Our deployment plan will start in May 2026 and
is due to complete before the ‘peak’ Christmas period.
The changes will be rolled out gradually across the UK
from May 2026, at a rate of around 50 delivery offices
each week over five to six months. This phased approach
is essential to ensure the transition is smooth and does
not disrupt our customers.

It sounds like the outcome of the vote is irrelevant if the changes are starting in May anyway?

Exactly, union look pretty stupid once again

[Valentina@1]

RM have stated that there will be a 'consultative ballot'.

Ok.

They'll be bringing it in as soon as they can.

From RM:

"QUALITY OF SERVICE IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE POSTAL UNIVERSAL SERVICE"

OUR DEPLOYMENT TIMELINE AND WHEN CUSTOMERS WILL SEE IMPROVEMENTS

Introducing our new delivery model will improve
reliability, but these improvements won’t happen
overnight. Our deployment plan will start in May 2026 and
is due to complete before the ‘peak’ Christmas period.
The changes will be rolled out gradually across the UK
from May 2026, at a rate of around 50 delivery offices
each week over five to six months. This phased approach
is essential to ensure the transition is smooth and does
not disrupt our customers.

It sounds like the outcome of the vote is irrelevant if the changes are starting in May anyway?

Exactly, union look pretty stupid once again

vote is pointless

[dudius]

I'm not sure a no vote ticks any boxes

Erm ... Pretty sure it ticks the "No" box ....

[Playmail]

Make sure you use your vote do not abstain every vote counts our crap pay deal got thru because hardly anyone voted

[SpacePhoenix]

Make sure you use your vote do not abstain every vote counts our crap pay deal got thru because hardly anyone voted

Only votes by delivery staff will count as delivery staff must outnumber staff from all other functions combined by at least 3:1 by now. It would take a very close vote for the votes of non-delivery staff to count for anything.

[scoobydo79]

If this doesn’t work out RM will go back to OFCOM and push for the original plan. Possible even letters every other day. We can’t win

[Tamsk]

Make sure you use your vote do not abstain every vote counts our crap pay deal got thru because hardly anyone voted

As I'm not in Delivery, I really don't want to be voting one way or the other on an agreement that doesn't significantly affect my job. (Sure, I can take the word of posties on here or elsewhere that it's unmanageable or otherwise, but I'm not in a position to know for myself.) But I also want to vote, because low turnout percentage reduces the value of the result for those whom it is meant to represent. If it were a postal return, I'd be sending back a deliberately spoiled ballot, but I don't think that'll be an option with the online polling?

[TopperGas]

If this doesn’t work out RM will go back to OFCOM and push for the original plan. Possible even letters every other day. We can’t win

If the CWU &/or RM.suggested that was the case it way encourage a Yes vote, as at the moment I can't see any reason to vote Yes just to get extra work for nothing in return?

Personally I feel if the CWU can't get a Yes vote then RM will just say they can't wait any longer for the USO changes and just bring in DM26 by EA.

[Chelseablue]

More work, more stress, more everything. Got to be a no.

[Perseus]

I really don't follow the logic of when people think/say that the vote is pointless as it will come in anyway.

[TopperGas]

I really don't follow the logic of when people think/say that the vote is pointless as it will come in anyway.

Do you seriously think changes of some sort won't be brought in this year and that RM will just forget the USO reforms if we vote "no"?

At best RM will throw in a sweetener to get a "yes" vote or just proceed with changes of some sort by EA.

[Perseus]

I really don't follow the logic of when people think/say that the vote is pointless as it will come in anyway.

Do you seriously think changes of some sort won't be brought in this year and that RM will just forget the USO reforms if we vote "no"?

At best RM will throw in a sweetener to get a "yes" vote or just proceed with changes of some sort by EA.

That is a different argument. It may well get brought in anyway. But to not vote on it due to some kind of apathy is bizarre. You’d be basically saying, please make my job harder sir.

[Valentina@1]

So what happens when it’s a big no vote ?

[toonshola]

So what happens when it’s a big no vote ?

It won’t be. It should be but it won’t. The union propaganda will rev up over the next few weeks while the ballot is running. We will have it rammed down our throats that this USO version is the best we could get and that Wards genius has no limits. There will be a live video at some point of Ward and Walsh explaining that it’s a good thing that 3 people will cover 4 jobs going forward. When that video goes out try to ignore the fact that they both look like they would keel over after walking up a flight of stairs.
If they get time they might even wheel out Bouch with his dodgy heart monitor data to show 3 over 4 is actually good for our health.

[Perseus]

Don’t know about another offices but worryingly there are quite a few singleton duties in ours who see this deal as a great chance to a) just do half your duty everyday and b) get a much better attendance pattern than currently. Even when explained to them that a delivery will be 6 hours minimum with some patterns (most of these guys are 4 hours now) they don’t think it will affect THEM.
Well played CWU….