HCT duties

[Hitcher]

Our HTC duties are allowed to stay out for up to one hours over time, but they have to log out on the PDA on the last letter, the 20 push back to the office will not be paid.

If they do that then more fool them.

If I was doing one and they told me to do that I'd lock up the HTC, log out, and go straight home.

[HTPostman]

Our HTC duties are allowed to stay out for up to one hours over time, but they have to log out on the PDA on the last letter, the 20 push back to the office will not be paid.

If they do that then more fool them.

If I was doing one and they told me to do that I'd lock up the HTC, log out, and go straight home.

Yep, easy to sort that. Logout on the PDA, leave it in the HCT, hand the keys in to a local business, text manager, go home/switch off phone.

[Perseus]

Maybe it will be one of those things that is left to local decisions.

But the cost of a van versus the cost of 2 HCTs?
And I fail to see how anyone could cover 2 duties with 1st class letters and parcels with a HCT?

I think I see what you are saying now, sorry.

I've been looking at the Appendix and it states there should be an absolute maximum of 1 non driving staff in every 4 duties that are grouped together. Makes sense. Bob, Steve and Janet covering duties A B C and D, let's say Steve doesn't drive. Saturday comes round and it's Bob's day off, leaving Steve and Janet to do parcels and 1C letters on A and B, plus C and D. How is Steve going to do packets and 1C letters for 2 of those from an HCT?

The obvious answer is to pair both people together and do A B C and D, but there is no way that is do-able, unless they maybe do A B and C only. Then who does D?

Isn't doing 1c and parcels across 2 duties going to be the norm anyway? No doubt if they say they are struggling they'll be told to just deliver the parcels and leave the 1c?

The non driver will be in the DO either prepping 2c &/or D2D's, unless they are going to be sent out to deliver 1c & packets which is a possibility with RM.

If the non driving staff is working indoors, who then does the parcels of the other 2 duties?

[pm55]

Good questions about how this works with non drivers. The more non drivers you have the more problems this model will have.

I mean, if Saturday is just 1c + parcels how do drivers get that day off in a trio with 1 non driver? Only non drivers get more saturdays off?

If a trio with 1 non driver has a driver call in sick and no one to replace them the other two can't even do all the 1C and parcels from 4 walks!

[A2B]

If a trio with 1 non driver has a driver call in sick and no one to replace them the other two can't even do all the 1C and parcels from 4 walks!

In any scenario of this system as soon as there's an unexpected absence the whole thing falls apart.

[Perseus]

Good questions about how this works with non drivers. The more non drivers you have the more problems this model will have.

I mean, if Saturday is just 1c + parcels how do drivers get that day off in a trio with 1 non driver? Only non drivers get more saturdays off?

If a trio with 1 non driver has a driver call in sick and no one to replace them the other two can't even do all the 1C and parcels from 4 walks!

yeah, it doesn't even need for someone to go sick for it not to work.

A decent number of our staff don't drive for RM, which means that a good number of our groupings will be Driver/Driver/Non Driver. One of the drivers has the Saturday off (more Saturdays, remember) so that leaves Driver/Non Driver and 4 duties worth of 1C and tracked. Have they just to go out 2 in a van and try their best?

[Rommagic]

What about the door2doors on the 4th till who preps them?.

[clashcityrocker]

Good questions about how this works with non drivers. The more non drivers you have the more problems this model will have.

I mean, if Saturday is just 1c + parcels how do drivers get that day off in a trio with 1 non driver? Only non drivers get more saturdays off?

If a trio with 1 non driver has a driver call in sick and no one to replace them the other two can't even do all the 1C and parcels from 4 walks!

One thing everyone agrees on is the model only works if the office is fully staffed.
That means you have rest day covers (who can drive) and reserves (who can drive)
Larger offices will have a larger complement of reserves to cover area wide sickness.

[Valentina@1]

So non drivers will constantly be delivering 2-3 days mail and packets,but have most Saturdays off?

This is a headache trying to work out patten

[Rommagic]

2 in 5 saturdays off for everyone.

[pm55]

In any scenario of this system as soon as there's an unexpected absence the whole thing falls apart.

Interesting to implement a method of working that is being setup to fail. It's almost as if this is the long term plan of EP group to sabotage the way of working knowing it will fail to further lobby to reduce the legal requirements of the USO and getting rid of expensive legacy contracts by making their job miserable.

Also given that this version is the CWUs idea, if it fails guess who RM will blame? A further weakening of the union only plays into EP groups long term plan whatever that plan is.. a mostly parcel only buisness or a stripping of assets or who knows what they really want.

[Perseus]

So non drivers will constantly be delivering 2-3 days mail and packets,but have most Saturdays off?

This is a headache trying to work out patten

The brutal reality in this new method is that there really isn't anything else they can be given to do.
But the same thing that people can't do on a weekday (use an HCT to deliver 1C and parcels over a 2 route area - simply because you'd need a van sized HTC that moves at 30mph) is being suggested to be used on a Saturday.
The CWU have been consistent with their statements on no one in a office should be getting more/less Saturdays off than others.

[Chelseablue]

Most non drivers are prob in there 50s 60s , who are maybe struggling as it is , they will be driven into the ground with the amount / days mail they will have to keep delivering . Well done our union

[yellowbelly]

Most non drivers are prob in there 50s 60s , who are maybe struggling as it is , they will be driven into the ground with the amount / days mail they will have to keep delivering . Well done our union

None of our HCT bods are in that age group. On the contrary they're all youngsters on the new contracts with one or two legacy in their 40's.

All our 50/60 yrs bods are singleton drivers. Their complaint is about the constant getting in/out of wagons.

Each office demographic will be different.

[ted_e_bear]

Most non drivers are prob in there 50s 60s , who are maybe struggling as it is , they will be driven into the ground with the amount / days mail they will have to keep delivering . Well done our union

None of our HCT bods are in that age group. On the contrary they're all youngsters on the new contracts with one or two legacy in their 40's.

All our 50/60 yrs bods are singleton drivers. Their complaint is about the constant getting in/out of wagons.

Each office demographic will be different.

Our HCTs have predominantly oldies that are already struggling round, other oldies on some of the shittest duties in the office also already struggling, these that are struggling and are quite senior can't get anywhere near the nice rural/singleton duties that traditionally you could only get after building a decent amount of seniority (remember those days)