Job and Finish

[DaveF14]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

[Mr Rush]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

The company thought it could bank that time by giving you more. And more. And more. And here we are in a position where duties are failing everyday and very few are interested in staying out till tea time to clear.

I've said this before: everything they've brought in to increase efficiency (lapsing, SISO, the million other tasks loaded onto delivery, etc) has instead destroyed its capacity to provide the service. Squeezing the lemon till it's pulverised powder just leaves you thirstier.

[Perseus]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

To bring it back you'd also need duty sizes and parcel volumes to return to those times too, plus 1 person 1 duty.
The problem you also have is that the majority of modern day posties are more than happy to work their full hours and go home.

With regard to the practices in this thread of people going home hours early, I'd say those day will be numbered due to how the new duties will be structured into groups. The clear implication is that 3 people (plus a float) will be responsible for meeting (or in the likely scenario of trying but failing) the delivery spec of DM26. Finish early? Go help the other person/persons in your group. No single person on delivery will be doing the exact same route/loops/parcels and 1C only, on consecutive days.
No manager is going to allow 3-4 people who currently finish early work together in one of these groups, well you never know...

[stevejm]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

To bring it back you'd also need duty sizes and parcel volumes to return to those times too, plus 1 person 1 duty.
The problem you also have is that the majority of modern day posties are more than happy to work their full hours and go home.

With regard to the practices in this thread of people going home hours early, I'd say those day will be numbered due to how the new duties will be structured into groups. The clear implication is that 3 people (plus a float) will be responsible for meeting (or in the likely scenario of trying but failing) the delivery spec of DM26. Finish early? Go help the other person/persons in your group. No single person on delivery will be doing the exact same route/loops/parcels and 1C only, on consecutive days.
No manager is going to allow 3-4 people who currently finish early work together in one of these groups, well you never know...

a recipe for a lot of arguing and stress - there are a lot of lazy ***** out there

[Emohawk]

Are there any delivery offices that still have job and finish?

I have covered in an office where that is still done, although unofficially. Union is in complete control.and the managers are spineless.

[Emohawk]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

But far, far less parcels.

[Cedar_Room]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

But far, far less parcels.

& no customer collections or post boxes to empty or ridiculous auto-next day-redelivery…in other words,a completely different job!

[SpacePhoenix]

Are there any delivery offices that still have job and finish?

I have covered in an office where that is still done, although unofficially. Union is in complete control.and the managers are spineless.

The higher ups will probably be monitoring how much time everyone is making everyday. Once they've worked out an average they'll probably tell the local screws to remove that many hours.

[norris9]

Job and knock.

10/15 years ago, mail 4,5,6 times more than it is now. Head down, finish early, no dragging of the heals. It rewarded efficiency. Bring it back. Please.

and how small were the rounds back then? mail 4,5,6 times more but just had 4 loops, no parcels.

Today everyone is head down, no dragging heals, but workload is too high, collections and parcels massively slow you down.

[Mr Rush]

and how small were the rounds back then?

15 years ago on foot, before P&L: 3 hours PT, 3½ FT. Although I remember reading in Courier some offices were already up to 4 hour spans (trial offices?) and some places were still starbursting.

[postslippete]

15 years ago on foot, before P&L: 3 hours PT, 3½ FT. Although I remember reading in Courier some offices were already up to 4 hour spans (trial offices?) and some places were still starbursting.

Did it all change when they got rid of 2nd deliveries and had single daily delivery?

[whisperlite6]

If, and I say IF we can leave the office in time we can just about finish one side of a van share depending on volume (i.e. 3 days worth of mail Vs 4 days) and length of day. One manager already off with stress so went to newish Manager on Sat trying to explain that due to volume of parcels (180) We wouldn't be able to clear one side plus all tracked (don't even mention 1st class (managers just ignore the 1st class elephant in the office)) Have to be back to meet lorry @ 14.15. Manager came over, Me "What do you want us to prioritise?" Man asked "This is a van share Yes?" Me "Yes" M "So why aren't you clearing both sides?" " Why have you still not thrown in all D2D's?" (We'd already had a separate convo about them) Me "Errr we've not cleared both sides for 2yrs, what do you want me to prioritise?" (Trying not to laugh or look dumbstruck)
Man "Who told you that was the way of working? I suppose just take 3/4 of one side and tracked" Me "Errr Ok boss but that's what we've been told to do for the last 2yrs." Manager now gone sick.

[Mr Rush]

15 years ago on foot, before P&L: 3 hours PT, 3½ FT. Although I remember reading in Courier some offices were already up to 4 hour spans (trial offices?) and some places were still starbursting.

Did it all change when they got rid of 2nd deliveries and had single daily delivery?

I was still in school at the time (exam results on the mat at 8AM!) so I don't know firsthand, though I believe you could probably shave an hour off the SDD times - maybe more based on some of the stories I've heard and read. The span was something like out the door at 0700 and back at the unit for 0930.

[Perseus]

It's still ingrained in quite a few staff to try and finish early and be paid for not actually being at work. The "I've done my bit and i'm going home" attitude will never die in some.

[Chelseablue]

The increase in parcels just in last few months is crazy. Not cleared in months , nuts times ahead!