LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[Thommo44]

Seen this on Facebook, explains it a bit better.

What about the town rounds with 16 loop?

As far as im aware duties are intended to be done with larger ~40 minute loops. Hence 6 loops. You can of course split this up further, but clearly no duty has 16 40 minute loops!

So we split 16 loops into 6 and carry 3 sacks at a time?

Someone is going to say use a trolley now

[Thommo44]

Seen this on Facebook, explains it a bit better.

What about the town rounds with 16 loop?

As far as im aware duties are intended to be done with larger ~40 minute loops. Hence 6 loops. You can of course split this up further, but clearly no duty has 16 40 minute loops!

So we split 16 loops into 6 and carry 3 sacks at a time?

Someone is going to say use a trolley now

6 x 40 minute loops would make sense, but of the 16 I have now, only 3 are 30 minutes or under. That’s why people aren’t getting mail for 3 weeks. The 16 is one half of a paired duty.
Surely it’s not that difficult to model a round to include time to get to the first delivery point and back from the last, but chances are there won’t even be a revision

[TopperGas]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

Dont take what this lot say as the truth. You are spot on with what you say. The traffic comes out as you describe. The CWU aren't telling the truth. The workload on the day will be whatever has to go.

RM have been clear that no second class is to be delivered on Saturdays whether it arrives at the DO or not on the Friday or the Saturday

What’s not to understand about that? They have been clear from the outset

The due mail for that day will be part of the workload. It could be anything. Then include all the other tasks. The idea that it will simply be two products is nonsense and the CWU know it.

The only "due" mail will be 1c including Articles for the Blind plus NHS letters along with Tracked and Specials, nothing else will delivered, if a postie is covering two duties they wouldn't have the time to deliver anything else anyway.

This from a document within the USO Reform section of Robin, entitled 'Delivery Model 26 - How will it work?', 'Key Features' paragraph.

Town routes

• DM26 will involve three posties covering four routes
each day. The four routes will alternate between high
call rate and low call rate (Mon-Fri).
• Two colleagues will van share and the other will work
alone in a van or HCT.
• The van share partnership will work together, as they
do now, to cover all delivery points – sharing workload
fairly between them. They will also take specific loops
from two adjacent routes, 3 and 4, which become part
of their delivery. The singleton van will take the rest of
routes 3 and 4.
• Each postie will deliver approximately eight loops compared to six loops today but these loops will be
balanced between high and low call rates.
• Each postie will cover the same area each day.
• Only parcels, First Class and coincidental mail will be delivered on a Saturday.
• High call rate routes are around 70% of delivery points whereas low call rate routes are around 20% of
delivery points.

Rural and firms duties

• Using a 50/50 delivery model, singleton rural and firms duties will deliver to their standard route each day.
• Half the route will be high call rate (all products) and half will be low call rate (parcels, 1c and coincidental
mail).
• On Saturdays it will be low call rate only.
• The purpose is to create extra capacity and flexibility so that these posties have time to assist colleagues
on other routes with fluctuating volumes or to add extra resource to the indoor operation.

Clearly states 'coincidental mail', which to me means any 2nd class going to a DP that has a 1st.

Or it could be letters for the blind and NHS letters? If it's 2c why not say so?

Regardless who's going to find time on a shortened Saturday to fully prep two duties, sort and scan all the Tracked parcels for both duties, then tie up all the 1c and coincidental mail, load their van with two duties parcels and mail, then deliver it all in a roughly 4 hours delivery span? As the business even piloted the idea to see if it's remotely doable?

[Pimpempem]

I am one that postie that is doing 65+ to 70 hours a week on new t&c because I have a financial plan and needs.

I was hoping the agreement would have brought back the weekly pay for us and equalise the gap that in London is almost 320 minus of the old terms and condition. Some offices with very old contract and Wellington week get 136 quid every three weeks of bonus bumping the annual salary to £37k instead £30k of new term and conditions. Also we have the Sunday, no meal relief and no supplements. Not exactly an appealing offer

I was a Union rep but it was impossible to recruit anyone of the new entrants because they don’t see the value of Cwu.

Now I moved to Deputy manager and it’s even worse. I made more money as a postie until you get a Com position is slavery in disguise

[SpacePhoenix]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

Dont take what this lot say as the truth. You are spot on with what you say. The traffic comes out as you describe. The CWU aren't telling the truth. The workload on the day will be whatever has to go.

RM have been clear that no second class is to be delivered on Saturdays whether it arrives at the DO or not on the Friday or the Saturday

What’s not to understand about that? They have been clear from the outset

The due mail for that day will be part of the workload. It could be anything. Then include all the other tasks. The idea that it will simply be two products is nonsense and the CWU know it.

The only "due" mail will be 1c including Articles for the Blind plus NHS letters along with Tracked and Specials, nothing else will delivered, if a postie is covering two duties they wouldn't have the time to deliver anything else anyway.

This from a document within the USO Reform section of Robin, entitled 'Delivery Model 26 - How will it work?', 'Key Features' paragraph.

Town routes

• DM26 will involve three posties covering four routes
each day. The four routes will alternate between high
call rate and low call rate (Mon-Fri).
• Two colleagues will van share and the other will work
alone in a van or HCT.
• The van share partnership will work together, as they
do now, to cover all delivery points – sharing workload
fairly between them. They will also take specific loops
from two adjacent routes, 3 and 4, which become part
of their delivery. The singleton van will take the rest of
routes 3 and 4.
• Each postie will deliver approximately eight loops compared to six loops today but these loops will be
balanced between high and low call rates.
• Each postie will cover the same area each day.
• Only parcels, First Class and coincidental mail will be delivered on a Saturday.
• High call rate routes are around 70% of delivery points whereas low call rate routes are around 20% of
delivery points.

Rural and firms duties

• Using a 50/50 delivery model, singleton rural and firms duties will deliver to their standard route each day.
• Half the route will be high call rate (all products) and half will be low call rate (parcels, 1c and coincidental
mail).
• On Saturdays it will be low call rate only.
• The purpose is to create extra capacity and flexibility so that these posties have time to assist colleagues
on other routes with fluctuating volumes or to add extra resource to the indoor operation.

Clearly states 'coincidental mail', which to me means any 2nd class going to a DP that has a 1st.

Or it could be letters for the blind and NHS letters? If it's 2c why not say so?

Regardless who's going to find time on a shortened Saturday to fully prep two duties, sort and scan all the Tracked parcels for both duties, then tie up all the 1c and coincidental mail, load their van with two duties parcels and mail, then deliver it all in a roughly 4 hours delivery span? As the business even piloted the idea to see if it's remotely doable?

There can't be any "coincidental mail" for there to be some the CSSs would have to be run. Any 2C or DSA which has hit the time limit for its product will get released. Any 2C for a DP where 2C is being released will also be released. There isn't a separate mode for Friday nights, we've been running the trial method for ages now. The only difference is that there's approx a 50% release rate each day rather than a 30% release rate.

[Mr Rush]

Someone is going to say use a trolley now

Whether you are carrying a bag or pushing a trolley, rolling over letter workload and making the loops longer will result in more than just the one bundle in hand. Every additional bundle will mean less space for packets in the bag(s). Every packet that has to be passed onto a driver requires additional time.

Sending callrates back to 2006 means bags with only as much space available for the number of packets we had in 2006. We're at max capacity on every loop precisely because letter callrates are so low, which is what fuels RM's vaunted low CO2 emissions per packet.

And on that subject, I'd love to know the measured effect of delivering the 1C on foot versus driving around in a van on the off-day side. How many trees per Evie!?