LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[claretandblue]

Seen this on Facebook, explains it a bit better.

What about the town rounds with 16 loop?

They must be mini loops, so you'd take the same proportion off the other walk.

[yellowbelly]

Seen this on Facebook, explains it a bit better.

What about the town rounds with 16 loop?

All loops are equal - but some are more equal than others...

[yellowbelly]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

Dont take what this lot say as the truth. You are spot on with what you say. The traffic comes out as you describe. The CWU aren't telling the truth. The workload on the day will be whatever has to go.

RM have been clear that no second class is to be delivered on Saturdays whether it arrives at the DO or not on the Friday or the Saturday

What’s not to understand about that? They have been clear from the outset

The due mail for that day will be part of the workload. It could be anything. Then include all the other tasks. The idea that it will simply be two products is nonsense and the CWU know it.

The only "due" mail will be 1c including Articles for the Blind plus NHS letters along with Tracked and Specials, nothing else will delivered, if a postie is covering two duties they wouldn't have the time to deliver anything else anyway.

This from a document within the USO Reform section of Robin, entitled 'Delivery Model 26 - How will it work?', 'Key Features' paragraph.

Town routes

• DM26 will involve three posties covering four routes
each day. The four routes will alternate between high
call rate and low call rate (Mon-Fri).
• Two colleagues will van share and the other will work
alone in a van or HCT.
• The van share partnership will work together, as they
do now, to cover all delivery points – sharing workload
fairly between them. They will also take specific loops
from two adjacent routes, 3 and 4, which become part
of their delivery. The singleton van will take the rest of
routes 3 and 4.
• Each postie will deliver approximately eight loops compared to six loops today but these loops will be
balanced between high and low call rates.
• Each postie will cover the same area each day.
• Only parcels, First Class and coincidental mail will be delivered on a Saturday.
• High call rate routes are around 70% of delivery points whereas low call rate routes are around 20% of
delivery points.

Rural and firms duties

• Using a 50/50 delivery model, singleton rural and firms duties will deliver to their standard route each day.
• Half the route will be high call rate (all products) and half will be low call rate (parcels, 1c and coincidental
mail).
• On Saturdays it will be low call rate only.
• The purpose is to create extra capacity and flexibility so that these posties have time to assist colleagues
on other routes with fluctuating volumes or to add extra resource to the indoor operation.

Clearly states 'coincidental mail', which to me means any 2nd class going to a DP that has a 1st.

[ted_e_bear]

I didn't want to quote all of the above but I'm struggling with part of it, so two people do two duties (1 & 2) with everything like now apart from it'll be 2 or 3 days mail which sounds a bit iffy for a start, however on top of that they also do part of two other duties

Is that correct ?

[steve1873]

Seen this on Facebook, explains it a bit better.

What about the town rounds with 16 loop?

As far as im aware duties are intended to be done with larger ~40 minute loops. Hence 6 loops. You can of course split this up further, but clearly no duty has 16 40 minute loops!

[SpacePhoenix]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

Dont take what this lot say as the truth. You are spot on with what you say. The traffic comes out as you describe. The CWU aren't telling the truth. The workload on the day will be whatever has to go.

RM have been clear that no second class is to be delivered on Saturdays whether it arrives at the DO or not on the Friday or the Saturday

What’s not to understand about that? They have been clear from the outset

The due mail for that day will be part of the workload. It could be anything. Then include all the other tasks. The idea that it will simply be two products is nonsense and the CWU know it.

The only "due" mail will be 1c including Articles for the Blind plus NHS letters along with Tracked and Specials, nothing else will delivered, if a postie is covering two duties they wouldn't have the time to deliver anything else anyway.

This from a document within the USO Reform section of Robin, entitled 'Delivery Model 26 - How will it work?', 'Key Features' paragraph.

Town routes

• DM26 will involve three posties covering four routes
each day. The four routes will alternate between high
call rate and low call rate (Mon-Fri).
• Two colleagues will van share and the other will work
alone in a van or HCT.
• The van share partnership will work together, as they
do now, to cover all delivery points – sharing workload
fairly between them. They will also take specific loops
from two adjacent routes, 3 and 4, which become part
of their delivery. The singleton van will take the rest of
routes 3 and 4.
• Each postie will deliver approximately eight loops compared to six loops today but these loops will be
balanced between high and low call rates.
• Each postie will cover the same area each day.
• Only parcels, First Class and coincidental mail will be delivered on a Saturday.
• High call rate routes are around 70% of delivery points whereas low call rate routes are around 20% of
delivery points.

Rural and firms duties

• Using a 50/50 delivery model, singleton rural and firms duties will deliver to their standard route each day.
• Half the route will be high call rate (all products) and half will be low call rate (parcels, 1c and coincidental
mail).
• On Saturdays it will be low call rate only.
• The purpose is to create extra capacity and flexibility so that these posties have time to assist colleagues
on other routes with fluctuating volumes or to add extra resource to the indoor operation.

Clearly states 'coincidental mail', which to me means any 2nd class going to a DP that has a 1st.

It won't be. As Space Phoenix has pointed out the DTS will be workload when it reaches it's limit. The agreement states that there is a DSA +3 which regulated. There is still a regulated delivery span for all items. The very idea that a 2C letter that has reached it's regulated time limit won't be part of the workload is untrue. Then add all the other tasks. Again the agreement states 2C mail will be collected on Saturdays.

[hazzeem025]

So they want someone on a HCT duty to do half of their duty, then on the other half of the duty do tracked and 1st class. Then walk to another duty to do exactly what? More than likely walk even further than they already do now? Jesus Christ we're not f***ing robots!

f***ing shambles. f**k the CWU and bollocks to it all. Start time, break time and finish time.

[claretandblue]

So they want someone on a HCT duty to do half of their duty, then on the other half of the duty do tracked and 1st class. Then walk to another duty to do exactly what? More than likely walk even further than they already do now? Jesus Christ we're not f***ing robots!

f***ing shambles. f**k the CWU and bollocks to it all. Start time, break time and finish time.

I don't think the example applies to HCT duties.

[jagger]

Quite possibly the most boring thread on here,ever.

[Trumanity]

....and to think that I thought World Class Mail was the mother of all f**k ups!

[TopperGas]

7

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

I assume they've already been told who they are as we know which 2 have been chosen locally?

I assume that means the DM26 pilots are going ahead regardless of the outcome of the vote.

[TopperGas]

The trial method for CSS is for 1C and 2C to be run together on both waves, with the DTS releasing any 2C where there's a 1C item for a DP, any 2C that has hit the time limit and any 2C where other 2C is being released for the same DP. Wave 1 is sequenced, wave 2 is walk sort. Any wave 2 up until a certain time goes to the CSS machines, anything after that gets run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM.

Any 1C which arrives for wave 2 that hasn't been through an iLSM or IMP before has go be run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM as without the data encoded into the orange barcodes the CSS machines chuck it out to the deferred.

We've been running the trial method for months, before we did we'd average about 30% of mail being deferred, now it's about 50%. The volume of deferred is determined by when the DSA arrives at the MC.

What point are you trying to make, as it doesn't matter what arrives in a DO as if it's only a 1c deliver day then any 2c which arrives won't be delivered.

If for some bizarre reason the company decides 1c & 2c needs to be delivered on a 1c day under DM26 then they are going to have to make the duties shorter so it can all be delivered, or just accept mail will be brought back.

People have been saying that the 1C doesn't get run on wave 1 when it does. We don't give a s**t what DOs attempt to deliver, we've done our bit, if the DOs fail it, it's their problem.

Why are you getting so uptight about something that doesn't involve you, when you can send as much 2c as you like to DO's on a daily basis as it won't be delivered on a 1c only day, unless it's an NHS letter and they are still getting priority the same post DM26.

[yellowbelly]

7

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

I assume they've already been told who they are as we know which 2 have been chosen locally?

I assume that means the DM26 pilots are going ahead regardless of the outcome of the vote.

WIthout a doubt! What are the CWU going to do if the membership vote no? They were/are the main proponents of this DM26 model and have acquiesced to RM's equalisation proposals. They might as well not bother with a vote.

[Thommo44]

Just a few quick calculations

3500 new walks between 1200 offices = average 3 per office
6000 to be made full time = 5 per office

So the new walks will probably be the ones that were absorbed a couple of years ago and the new full time roles will be to fill the last 5 years of natural wastage?
If they can’t or won’t recruit, then the local bonus will go out of the window.
Management will say there is only one available shift pattern, the extra Saturday off will disappear

Absolutely nothing will benefit the post person

[derekm]

7

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

I assume they've already been told who they are as we know which 2 have been chosen locally?

I assume that means the DM26 pilots are going ahead regardless of the outcome of the vote.

WIthout a doubt! What are the CWU going to do if the membership vote no? They were/are the main proponents of this DM26 model and have acquiesced to RM's equalisation proposals. They might as well not bother with a vote.

Executive action will probably be brought in if it’s a no vote.