Equalisation

[Agencyoap]

I honestly don’t care about paid breaks - I wouldn’t get them now where ever I went to work
Or supplements etc - good luck to those in them
But how the actual fcuk can these clowns honestly sit there and and say this is a good deal
You cannot make this sh!t up

[smok3y666]

I honestly don’t care about paid breaks - I wouldn’t get them now where ever I went to work
Or supplements etc - good luck to those in them
But how the actual fcuk can these clowns honestly sit there and and say this is a good deal
You cannot make this sh!t up

They do it every year. People moan, few months go by, people stop moaning because there's something else to moan about then it's forgotten about and people keep supporting them and paying subs every week despite saying how s**t they are year after year.

And to quote your last sentence "You cannot make this sh!t up.

So unless people stop supporting them and throwing money their way and start voting with their subs maybe like a collective sub strike for a month they'll keep doing it and people will keep sucking it up.

[TopperGas]

If people do stop paying their subs they've got zero protection should their be any disaplinary etc issues, that's probably why most carry on paying them.

[raXor]

If people do stop paying their subs they've got zero protection should their be any disaplinary etc issues, that's probably why most carry on paying them.

If you've done something wrong, you've got zero protection regardless of whether you're a union member or not.

It's all about knowing your employment rights. A lot of people don't need representation because they've come from previous management or HR jobs and know exactly what processes and procedures employers must take if ever they find themselves in bother.

[TopperGas]

If people do stop paying their subs they've got zero protection should their be any disaplinary etc issues, that's probably why most carry on paying them.

If you've done something wrong, you've got zero protection regardless of whether you're a union member or not.

It's all about knowing your employment rights. A lot of people don't need representation because they've come from previous management or HR jobs and know exactly what processes and procedures employers must take if ever they find themselves in bother.

There's plenty of instances where the CWU have assisted their members when they've done something wrong.

Not many new starters in my DO have come from management etc, not to now earn just about the MW.

[Smoothbackground]

There's plenty of instances where the CWU have assisted their members when they've done something wrong.

I’m no lover of the CWU — far from it — but even I will readily acknowledge the CWU reps at a local level, at least where I am, do fight for their members even when they’re bang to rights on whatever the disciplinary/issue is.

[pm55]

There's plenty of instances where the CWU have assisted their members when they've done something wrong.

I’m no lover of the CWU — far from it — but even I will readily acknowledge the CWU reps at a local level, at least where I am, do fight for their members even when they’re bang to rights on whatever the disciplinary/issue is.

Agreed. If you have a good office rep or a good area rep they are well worth the £10 a month. Even though this deal is absolute s**t for new entrants, I've saw multiple instances where the local reps have made a huge difference to saving peoples jobs, keeping management in check and giving time to help the members. It's just a shame that those not on local level seem disconnected from reality.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

I'm lucky enough to have a good rep who has successfully argued for people's duties to be shortened when they've been getting accused of poor performance. Manager insisted it was the workers at fault and not the duty. However at another DO I worked at they had the most useless rep who openly admitted he didn't have a clue. Small offices sometimes don't even have one. Or they have one who is too chummy with the manager.

Despite the crap deal for new entrants on this first step I'm at least pleased we only have to wait until January for step 2 and a proper timetable. Also with the government breathing down their necks they might start offering more than crumbs particularly if progress is made to introduce regulations re gig economy competition undercutting them on pay. I'm just trying to see something positive in the future. At least it's a small movement towards equalisation

[Saturn1]

Shocking deal.

The new contracts get a slightly higher pay rise, something they've taken from negotiations at Openreach, paying the lowest earners more, which is unfair in itself.

And Royal Mail are still going ahead with 4 into 3.

As for dropping the 1.25x overtime enhancement before getting equalisation, that's just devious, take from one hand to give to the other springs to mind.

[Joe2783]

As for dropping the 1.25x overtime enhancement before getting equalisation, that's just devious, take from one hand to give to the other springs to mind.

I imagine this will save the business more money than the cost of 1.75% extra pay rise

RM must be rubbing their hands together while the union push that this is a good deal for new entrants

[Playmail]

Just means the people who used to do overtime won't do it anymore it'll come back to bite them

[FirstPost]

Just means the people who used to do overtime won't do it anymore it'll come back to bite them

Why would the old contracts stop? Are they getting any less?

[Thommo44]

If people do stop paying their subs they've got zero protection should their be any disaplinary etc issues, that's probably why most carry on paying them.

If you've done something wrong, you've got zero protection regardless of whether you're a union member or not.

It's all about knowing your employment rights. A lot of people don't need representation because they've come from previous management or HR jobs and know exactly what processes and procedures employers must take if ever they find themselves in bother.

And if you’ve had proper management training outside of Royal Mail, chances are you’ve had better training and qualifications, with a better understanding of HR, health and safety, lean practices. You probably have a lot more knowledge than your local representative, if you have one.
That’s why the bullies normally go for the inexperienced

[Smoothbackground]

If people do stop paying their subs they've got zero protection should their be any disaplinary etc issues, that's probably why most carry on paying them.

If you've done something wrong, you've got zero protection regardless of whether you're a union member or not.

It's all about knowing your employment rights. A lot of people don't need representation because they've come from previous management or HR jobs and know exactly what processes and procedures employers must take if ever they find themselves in bother.

And if you’ve had proper management training outside of Royal Mail, chances are you’ve had better training and qualifications, with a better understanding of HR, health and safety, lean practices. You probably have a lot more knowledge than your local representative, if you have one.
That’s why the bullies normally go for the inexperienced

I might have more employment law or real-world knowledge than our rep, but the advantages he has over me, are, I think, speed and being able to hopefully nip things in the bud sooner rather than later. Looking at it objectively, I can see at least four other advantages the rep might have over me:

1. The rep is aware of the bigger picture as he represents a wider segment of the workforce. I could be to-ing and fro-ing with a manager over an issue while completely unaware that he/she has tried it on with a few colleagues individually and that the issue is affecting more than just me. Your rep will know this and see the wider picture and be able to tackle the root cause (ie manager acting high-handedly with us all).

2. The rep has his own chain of command to escalate matters which often results in matters being resolved without needing to go through the whole process.

3. While the rep’s knowledge on employment law may not be 100%, his and his union’s understanding of RMG policies and procedures will be first class.

4. Objectivity, self-control and strategy — exceedingly hard to retain when the dispute involves you personally.

So not a CWU member — no intention of being — but let’s not do down the effectiveness of the workplace rep.

[Agencyoap]

Just means the people who used to do overtime won't do it anymore it'll come back to bite them

Why would the old contracts stop? Are they getting any less?

I’m on 40 hours - new contract for 30 months
If I average 2x4 hr SAs a week I will be earning over £2000 less PA than I am now
So whereas I had to do 48 hrs a week to bring my wage up to a decent (legacy) amount,now I will have to do at least 52 hours a week to reach the same amount - assuming I get the chance
And the gap between what I gross and what a legacy Will gross doing those hours of OT will be even higher than previous