Standard of new starters

[ted_e_bear]

while another new start (who, coincidentally, is our COMs next door neighbour's kid) got put on a cushy single van duty on week 4 of employment, where he remains....

I f***ing love that bit

[Wullie10]

"" They range from gormless at best and bone idle at worst.""

That describes some posties who've been there years and certainly quite a few managers.

New starters feed off what they experience.

[hewittinspain]

Is shockingly bad.

They range from gormless at best and bone idle at worst.

Guy I was training today wore huge DJ style headphones out of delivery and wasn’t the least bit interested in learning the job.

Unfortunately Royal Mail are that desperate they just cannot employ good hard workers like they did 20 years ago.The vetting system has gone. Literally anyone can get a job with them now since 2022 which was never the case as it wasn't an easy job to get into to. A lot of times they are bypassing the online application and just having open days which they did at our office not long ago where they hired anyone that literally turned up.

[jagger]

Exactly. A manager told me a couple of years ago, that they are employing people now who wouldn’t have even got an interview in the past.

[Roadie8282]

Exactly. A manager told me a couple of years ago, that they are employing people now who wouldn’t have even got an interview in the past.

And without a driving licence

[WalkerX]

Exactly. A manager told me a couple of years ago, that they are employing people now who wouldn’t have even got an interview in the past.

And without a driving licence

We`ve taken some kids on that are still taking driving lessons.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

These days I usually cannot be bothered to point out the factually incorrect statements I see the grey trousered, blue-shirted old timers make about new entrants. But as someone else pointed out, there are plenty of gormless, bone idle, degenerates who've been with the company many years or even decades, laziness and stupidity isn't unique to new starts. There are good and bad right across the entire workforce regardless of length of service. Some of the people I've met at RM simply couldn't be employed anywhere else because their behaviour is so antisocial and bizarre.

Oh and new starts definitely do need a driving licence to get a job!! The only non driver roles are strictly for people who joined donkeys years ago.

[Postie45]

But as someone else pointed out, there are plenty of gormless, bone idle, degenerates who've been with the company many years or even decades, laziness and stupidity isn't unique to new starts. There are good and bad right across the entire workforce regardless of length of service. Some of the people I've met at RM simply couldn't be employed anywhere else because their behaviour is so antisocial and bizarre.

While this is somewhat true most of those degens in the past got their duties completed or they really wouldnt have lasted. RM used to be seen as a somewhat decent job, now they offer the least amount of pay possible and want 100% hard work from signing in to signing off everyday, this really appeals to no one and theyre probably just getting the people signing on job seekers allowance being forced to accept this job "opportunity" but have no desire to work hard as they can do badly get fired and go back on JSA.

If RM want the luxury of having people work hard they need to offer a much higher wage that people wouldnt want to get fired and lose out on, RM knows at this point they have to keep the people with barely a pulse or they will have literally no one to deliver anything.

[claretandblue]

These days I usually cannot be bothered to point out the factually incorrect statements I see the grey trousered, blue-shirted old timers make about new entrants. But as someone else pointed out, there are plenty of gormless, bone idle, degenerates who've been with the company many years or even decades, laziness and stupidity isn't unique to new starts. There are good and bad right across the entire workforce regardless of length of service. Some of the people I've met at RM simply couldn't be employed anywhere else because their behaviour is so antisocial and bizarre.

Oh and new starts definitely do need a driving licence to get a job!! The only non driver roles are strictly for people who joined donkeys years ago.

Not true, our Dom has taken on a family friend who doesn't drive.

[Smoothbackground]

These days I usually cannot be bothered to point out the factually incorrect statements I see the grey trousered, blue-shirted old timers make about new entrants. But as someone else pointed out, there are plenty of gormless, bone idle, degenerates who've been with the company many years or even decades, laziness and stupidity isn't unique to new starts. There are good and bad right across the entire workforce regardless of length of service. Some of the people I've met at RM simply couldn't be employed anywhere else because their behaviour is so antisocial and bizarre.

Oh and new starts definitely do need a driving licence to get a job!! The only non driver roles are strictly for people who joined donkeys years ago.

Agree completely with your first paragraph — 100% spot on.

But yes, there are still non-drivers being taken on, usually because they have some familial or close link to a manager who is keen to give them a leg up. We have two non drivers at the moment, though both are supposed to be actively trying to pass their test, plus one person with an automatic-only driving licence.

[Roadie8282]

These days I usually cannot be bothered to point out the factually incorrect statements I see the grey trousered, blue-shirted old timers make about new entrants. But as someone else pointed out, there are plenty of gormless, bone idle, degenerates who've been with the company many years or even decades, laziness and stupidity isn't unique to new starts. There are good and bad right across the entire workforce regardless of length of service. Some of the people I've met at RM simply couldn't be employed anywhere else because their behaviour is so antisocial and bizarre.

Oh and new starts definitely do need a driving licence to get a job!! The only non driver roles are strictly for people who joined donkeys years ago.

Not true, our Dom has taken on a family friend who doesn't drive.

As I said above I know one who hasn't got a licence. Will become common as they need people

[qwerty2]

These days I usually cannot be bothered to point out the factually incorrect statements I see the grey trousered, blue-shirted old timers make about new entrants. But as someone else pointed out, there are plenty of gormless, bone idle, degenerates who've been with the company many years or even decades, laziness and stupidity isn't unique to new starts. There are good and bad right across the entire workforce regardless of length of service. Some of the people I've met at RM simply couldn't be employed anywhere else because their behaviour is so antisocial and bizarre.

Oh and new starts definitely do need a driving licence to get a job!! The only non driver roles are strictly for people who joined donkeys years ago.

Not true, our Dom has taken on a family friend who doesn't drive.

As I said above I know one who hasn't got a licence. Will become common as they need people

Especially when all the oil and diesel runs out - we'll be riding donkeys

[Perseus]

To be fair, the vast majority of our new entrants work to a pretty decent standard and are given a fair amount of overtime to complete duties, much to the chagrin of a hardcore of long serving staff who see overtime as 'helping the company out'. The same staff who see things like job and finish still as an entitlement, throw a tantrum if asked to deviate in any way from their very achievable workload, and walk about all day saying how much they hate the place and want to leave.....

[A2B]

To be fair, the vast majority of our new entrants work to a pretty decent standard

Not wanting to tar everyone with the same brush but unfortunately that is not the experience where I work.

No shows on a regular occurrence without contacting the office and when they do turn up they are reluctant to do a HCT duty (l thought I'd have my own van!)

Manager can't let them go until a replacement is found which isn't that easy when the applicants aren't exactly knocking the door down to work for RM

[Mr Rush]

As I said above I know one who hasn't got a licence. Will become common as they need people

It would help clear frames if they hired competent people without filtering for possession of a driving licence, which would also please a lot of new starts who join thinking letters are exactly what they'd be delivering. But no, someone's got to drive because there's a kitchen sink in the red skin and a customer collect for a car bumper.