POAL

[A2B]

The only reason you would have to cancel your POAL is if you don't qualify?

Wait until the opening date and go from there

[ted_e_bear]

Word on the Robin app is that there are no mybundle+ items available to purchase from april and shockingly…………..OPG’s are just 4p above min wage from april.

So……i don’t think anyone under manager level is getting POAL

You will be told you can have it ALU (unpaid) then you try booking that unpaid leave……..

That would mean new contract opg's, old contract will still be above

[funkflex55]

Hypothetically if a staff member wanted extra weeks off but didn't want to poal instead wanted to choose alu then would that choice be allowed? I didn't see anything about that in the documents I've read.

[TopperGas]

Hypothetically if a staff member wanted extra weeks off but didn't want to poal instead wanted to choose alu then would that choice be allowed? I didn't see anything about that in the documents I've read.

It's in the document? I assume it will still have to be approved by management as they are not going to allow everybody to take two weeks unpaid leave.

[2chorizon]

No-one is qualifying for POAL below manager level.

[ted_e_bear]

No-one is qualifying for POAL below manager level.

Why ?

[2chorizon]

No-one is qualifying for POAL below manager level.

Why ?

Because all allowances / shift premiums / weekend rate etc will not be taken into consideration (see your letter)
the qualifying check is based on basic pay ONLY.

And that is 4p above min wage from april (new contracts) and £1.68 for legacy.

Your WAM, COM, Martin Walsh and co will of course all be getting it.

YOU will be offered ALU (unpaid leave) but only allowed to take it in blocks of 2 days to minimise disruption.

#YouHeardItHereFirst

[norris9]

Going to increase skiving if that's the case.

I am aware people skive, it's not surprising it's common throughout working life. I've always paid for extra leave instead of resorting to such things.

Isn't it just 4.5 weeks we get annual leave without POAL. That's not enough for such a physical job.

[ted_e_bear]

No-one is qualifying for POAL below manager level.

Why ?

Because all allowances / shift premiums / weekend rate etc will not be taken into consideration (see your letter)
the qualifying check is based on basic pay ONLY.

And that is 4p above min wage from april (new contracts) and £1.68 for legacy.

Your WAM, COM, Martin Walsh and co will of course all be getting it.

YOU will be offered ALU (unpaid leave) but only allowed to take it in blocks of 2 days to minimise disruption.

#YouHeardItHereFirst

If the qualifying criteria is based on basic wage then as I've explained previously that statement doesn't add up, I'm on legacy and the basic hourly rate is £14.22. (£526.35 ÷ 37)

The most you'd have to pay for poal is if you've got under 5 years service which gives 4.5 weeks leave and you want the full 6 weeks, the deduction for that is 3% - so £14.22 minus 3% is £13.79 which is obviously still more than when the minimum wage goes up to £12.71 in April.

So are you claiming that despite qualifying people won't be able to pay for additional leave and will instead only be offered unpaid in blocks of two days ?

[SMS1969]

Going to increase skiving if that's the case.

I am aware people skive, it's not surprising it's common throughout working life. I've always paid for extra leave instead of resorting to such things.

Isn't it just 4.5 weeks we get annual leave without POAL. That's not enough for such a physical job.

Don’t worry, after 5 years you get an extra day lol, something I can look forward to when the time comes in a few months.

[mr hil.]

The two day blocks are only a malicious rumour, I don't get what all the fuss is about with POAL if you need the extra time off just put 3% or whatever you have paid in the past in a savings account each week or month and then take the time off as ALU and use the money you have saved to fund the unpaid period of time off. The ALU option is treated exactly the same as the POAL week/s as has been before for the selection of leave weeks.

The net result should be about the same monetry wise for most people ( it may impact low earners on benefits if their take home pay increases due to not having the extra cost of the POAL taken off at source). If you put the same amount as you would normally be deducted into a higher interest savings account you could be marginally better off. The tax and NI savings you lose are negated by having reduced or zero wages at the time of the extra leave.

The only issue could come from local managers not adhering to the new guidlines but that is where the Union can help sort it out promptly.

[2chorizon]

No-one is qualifying for POAL below manager level.

Why ?

Because all allowances / shift premiums / weekend rate etc will not be taken into consideration (see your letter)
the qualifying check is based on basic pay ONLY.

And that is 4p above min wage from april (new contracts) and £1.68 for legacy.

Your WAM, COM, Martin Walsh and co will of course all be getting it.

YOU will be offered ALU (unpaid leave) but only allowed to take it in blocks of 2 days to minimise disruption.

#YouHeardItHereFirst

If the qualifying criteria is based on basic wage then as I've explained previously that statement doesn't add up, I'm on legacy and the basic hourly rate is £14.22. (£526.35 ÷ 37)

The most you'd have to pay for poal is if you've got under 5 years service which gives 4.5 weeks leave and you want the full 6 weeks, the deduction for that is 3% - so £14.22 minus 3% is £13.79 which is obviously still more than when the minimum wage goes up to £12.71 in April.

So are you claiming that despite qualifying people won't be able to pay for additional leave and will instead only be offered unpaid in blocks of two days ?

We will see, highly unlikely anyone on new contracts will qualify, can you run those numbers again for the new contracts?

From your calcs you can see it is just £1.08p in it for legacy
(any other deductions from your wages will cancel you out
Attachment of earnings CSA, laptops, cycle to work schemes, small car purchase thru mybundle+ etc)

22,000 new contracts must be below qualifying?

It is too risky for the company to let people skirt with getting them a £200k fine and all the bad press.

POAL is over for anyone below manager level.

[postman15]

Hi,

As I mentioned in a previous thread when I tried to purchase I was only allowed 6.5 days. Previously I had the 2 weeks on POAL. Any reason why I can't purchase 2 weeks?
Already sent email to the HR. Waiting for their response.

[mmalecki88]

15 years full-time in parcel force. No words.

[SMS1969]

15 years full-time in parcel force. No words.

I got the same, looks like it’s because I pay for dental care and I’m paying into the lump sum pension booster pot and AVC’s.