Heavy And Light

[Martin Walsh]

Perseus and Toon you do realise by accepting ODM you are cutting 11000 walks overnight and another 2000 reserves and rest day duties covers.

You know that this will mean non drivers are no longer considered skilled and therefore surplus and can be compulsory transferred to another unit.

You do realise that ODM has not worked and means that all duties perform at least 3 different duties per week.

Almost every single pilot unit says they suffering with fatigue. Yet you want to roll this out to 1200 other units.

Royal Mail in their disagreement are insisting that the COM chooses the duty for each individual in the office on deployment not based on seniority. Remember one in every four jobs have gone.

So you’re willing to trade this on the other 12 hundred officers the otter 80 thousand members in turn for equalisation. Well we are not. Plus you do realise the equalisation of new entrants will cost far more money than USO reform. The difference between old contents and new is £1.98 the problem is that since December 2022 there has been 27 thousand new entrants join and in the next three years there is likely to be a further 27 thousand new entrants joins hence why it was always about a career path approach to equalisation. Remember the employer has to pay the extra 15% national insurance and 13.6 % employer pension costs Remember no other major company has ever equalised new entrants contracts and change from a two tier workforce.

[postslippete]

Plus you do realise the equalisation of new entrants will cost far more money than USO reform.

Remember the employer has to pay the extra 15% national insurance and 13.6 % employer pension costs. Remember no other major company has ever equalised new entrants contracts and change from a two tier workforce.

These sort of comments play straight into RM's narrative Martin and it is not where the CWU should be conceding ground!!

A permanent two-tier workforce has real costs which are often hidden on a spreadsheet - things like a high churn, the constant recruitment and training costs, the loss of experience, a lower productivity per paid hour, more errors and failures, complaints and redeliveries, higher absence etc. All of these costs might not show up clean on a balance sheet but they absolutely hit the operation and eat into the bottom line.

There is something of a contradiction in that RM says it has returned to profit by cutting labour costs BUT also says that it can't afford any movement on equalisation. That suggests the business model depends on maintaining a cheaper tier indefinitely rather than balancing the cost against any sort of stability and performance. I think the real question isn't whether EQ has a cost, because it does, but whether a high turnover, 2-tier workforce is genuinely cheaper in the long run, especially a business that still has a legal USO to deliver

[ted_e_bear]

Royal Mail in their disagreement are insisting that the COM chooses the duty for each individual in the office on deployment not based on seniority. Remember one in every four jobs have gone.

f**k me that's not going to end well I'm not happy with that

[Pidleypoo]

Royal Mail in their disagreement are insisting that the COM chooses the duty for each individual in the office on deployment not based on seniority. Remember one in every four jobs have gone.

f**k me that's not going to end well I'm not happy with that

If that is true then you’ve probably gained more backing for strike action.

That would create such a toxic atmosphere in any unit where some would just get punished by certain managers every single day.

Looks like we’re going on strike if those are the positions they’re taking.

[Woody84]

Royal Mail in their disagreement are insisting that the COM chooses the duty for each individual in the office on deployment not based on seniority. Remember one in every four jobs have gone.

f**k me that's not going to end well I'm not happy with that

I’m guessing it’s another way of forcing out as many long serving legacy folk?

[Thommo44]

There won’t be a heavy and light, that’s not saving them much. It’ll be 3 on 4, fail, back to the regulators pleading for a further reduction to the uso.

This is where the government and ofcom need to step in and say an independent inquiry needs to be conducted and be funded by Royal Mail.
I haven’t really got the time but im sure going through previous reports (the last 10 years, or since privatisation), we were making decent profits with fully manned offices and excellent customer service. With stamps now double the cost, even with a 5% year on year reduction in letters, they should be making a fortune

[Acca Dacca]

Perseus and Toon you do realise by accepting ODM you are cutting 11000 walks overnight and another 2000 reserves and rest day duties covers.

You know that this will mean non drivers are no longer considered skilled and therefore surplus and can be compulsory transferred to another unit.

You do realise that ODM has not worked and means that all duties perform at least 3 different duties per week.

On these Martin

These three points would have been known to be the case before the failed trials

So why did you agree to pilot the 3 into 4 in the first place?

It didn’t take them failing to know that there would be huge job cuts, that it would spell trouble for non drivers and that people would be performing more than the one walk

The number of job cuts for a start should have been a red line not to agree to piloting the ODM

[Weetrogg2]

Martin, if ODM was implemented does that mean there will be compulsory redundancies?

[yellowbelly]

Martin, if ODM was implemented does that mean there will be compulsory redundancies?

It's been quoted on here many times that about 10k staff leave RM every year through retirement/voluntarily. Perhaps that's what RM are banking on.

[Clappedoutpostie]

Thanks for posting Martin

You need to publish widely the finer print of exactly what the company are going for. The bit about COM’s picking your duty is shocking. I’m sure there will be other items as well. Please let the membership know.

[Perseus]

Martin, I echo what others are saying in asking for a complete breakdown in what the company are looking to do with ODM, as much of this is brand new news.
Nobody WANTS it to come in, but unless people have been living under a rock it’s been that way in many offices for years now. There seems to be too many red lines on either side to come to an agreement on this either way with RM and it’s pertinent to point out that they are the ones that have triggered the DRP.
Staff struggle to understand how the company can lose so many full time staff over the past 4 years or so, IF they are replaced it’s with a person on inferior terms, condensing 4 duties into 3, yet there is still no money to equalise contracts?

[SMS1969]

Royal Mail in their disagreement are insisting that the COM chooses the duty for each individual in the office on deployment not based on seniority. Remember one in every four jobs have gone.

f**k me that's not going to end well I'm not happy with that

I’m guessing it’s another way of forcing out as many long serving legacy folk?

Yes I’m guessing the same, thought they might try and do that. Lots would leave.

[clashcityrocker]

Perseus and Toon you do realise by accepting ODM you are cutting 11000 walks overnight and another 2000 reserves and rest day duties covers.

Are you saying then that even if the trials had been a "success" you would have been opposing its implementation?

[funkflex55]

The CWU and RM probably knew full well the trials would be a challenge (load of s**t). I suspect they had be shown to be doing something to both ofcom and the public. In order to force the uso change and say look what we're trialling.

This expected failure and recent OT cuts forcing more failures just gives RM more ammunition to use when the ask for further uso change in a few months.

It's all a game in order to force the most big standard and reduced letters service in order to then do the bare minimum whilst taking maximum profit from parcels. f**k what the public want, you'll get your letter when you get it.

[darkgable]

There won’t be a heavy and light, that’s not saving them much. It’ll be 3 on 4, fail, back to the regulators pleading for a further reduction to the uso.

This is where the government and ofcom need to step in and say an independent inquiry needs to be conducted and be funded by Royal Mail.
I haven’t really got the time but im sure going through previous reports (the last 10 years, or since privatisation), we were making decent profits with fully manned offices and excellent customer service. With stamps now double the cost, even with a 5% year on year reduction in letters, they should be making a fortune

Plus they are still advertising for new managers . Surely big savings could be made by a Cull of managers. Somedays we have 4 in an office of 60 people. Dont have enough postmen but have too many managers